Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

Post by DanBC » Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:52 PM UTC

uxp wrote: post #96

Zelphyr wrote: post #33

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Yes, I do. Helps that I live with a Nurse Practitioner. However, the number of people I know who are convinced that getting the flu shot makes them sick or gives them the flu and thus refuse to get the shot is shocking. Some things I've actually heard: "I get sick every time!" No, you don't. "It's a LIVE VIRUS! Everybody knows this!" No, it's not. You're just an idiot hanging around with idiots.

I've received the flu shot three times in my life. I've been hospitalized for influenza three times in my life. Please tell me more about how I've deceived myself. Just as the MMR vaccine is less about you contracting measles and more about your spreading measles to more vulnerable populations that are unable to get the vaccine, the flu shot is identical in that regard. Sure, it helps you not get sick and/or to lesse…

Post by DoreenMichele » Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:52 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #166

DoreenMichele wrote: post #69

"To think that we're in New York City and this is happening," he added. "It's like a third-world country type of scenario. It's mind-blowing." Historically, when sexually transmitted disease outbreaks occurred in the US, social workers would ask for the names of everyone you had slept with if you were infected and they would contact them and screen them and treat them. This was effective in stopping outbreaks. We lar…

this is a really good point. much easier to do than mass testing.

Post by chkaloon » Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:53 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #175

chkaloon wrote: post #154

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Interesting points (not sure why you're getting downvotes here). I also wonder if it would help if the medical "establishment" encouraged people to stay home even if they get symptoms, and only seek medical care for serious shortness of breath or if you have co-morbidities that are life-threatening. There is not effective treatment yet, so what is the point of standing in line at the ER? It would also have the effect…

The medical establishment is already encouraging people to stay home and not seek medical care if it isn't overly severe. This is making people very upset, and understandably so, because it boils down to a big fat "fuck you." What we actually need is a list of medically approved home care options to empower people to deal with this on their own to some degree. We mostly aren't getting that. If you don't give people a…

Post by uxp » Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:53 PM UTC

Spellman wrote: post #181

uxp wrote: post #96

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I've received the flu shot three times in my life. I've been hospitalized for influenza three times in my life. Please tell me more about how I've deceived myself. Just as the MMR vaccine is less about you contracting measles and more about your spreading measles to more vulnerable populations that are unable to get the vaccine, the flu shot is identical in that regard. Sure, it helps you not get sick and/or to lesse…

Assuming that this is true, then even moreso you should advocate others get the flu shot to help protect you. And yes, the flu shot isn't 100% effective. And yes some have bad reactions to certain vaccines. However, I find it extremely unlikely that you got it from the vaccine and instead that you were just very very unlucky at getting influenza. It's a bit of a sharpshooter fallacy to me. And for those who are vulne…

Post by rsynnott » Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

baron_harkonnen wrote: post #103

de_watcher wrote: post #82

It was easy to see the future: you just look up on the wiki the evolution of numbers of confirmed cases in the EU countries.

Given that the US is now neck and neck with Italy to be the first country to have more cases than China, we have been wildly exceeding any estimates based on EU countries.