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Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?
Its a severe way of characterizing the way many of us in American value liberty even if it harms or kills us and others.
Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
81 people died of the virus in NYC yesterday. I think the large number approach of pandemics can almost sanitize the numbers of their humanity. Imagine 81 people died in a bus accident, or a fire, or a mass shooting. This is very serious and we're still at the beginning of it.
I wrote a comment elsewhere about death rates in the US. 81 people per day is not an astronomical number for the most densely populated part of the country, in fact it's well within the normal number of deaths according to CDC data. In fact, just compared to heart disease alone, it might be slightly on the lower end.
But with covid-19 the numbers of people dying is doubling every 3 days.
80, 160, 320, 640, 1280, 2560, 5120, 10,240, 20,480
Potentially Covid-19 would hit that 29200 figure in about 25 days from today.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
81 people died of the virus in NYC yesterday. I think the large number approach of pandemics can almost sanitize the numbers of their humanity. Imagine 81 people died in a bus accident, or a fire, or a mass shooting. This is very serious and we're still at the beginning of it.
I wrote a comment elsewhere about death rates in the US. 81 people per day is not an astronomical number for the most densely populated part of the country, in fact it's well within the normal number of deaths according to CDC data. In fact, just compared to heart disease alone, it might be slightly on the lower end.
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#145Is there any data on how many people died which had no pre-existing medical conditions?
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#146Well, that’s some fear mongering. The article is all anecdotes. Most of the nurses and doctors they talked to are anonymous sources. According to the AHA[1], there are 6,146 hospitals in the US. There are 68,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the US, and 33,000 of those cases are all in New York—almost 10x more than the next states (4.4k NJ, 3.2k CA)[2]. I don’t know the rate of hospitalization for the infected, but sym…
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#147Well, that’s some fear mongering. The article is all anecdotes. Most of the nurses and doctors they talked to are anonymous sources. According to the AHA[1], there are 6,146 hospitals in the US. There are 68,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the US, and 33,000 of those cases are all in New York—almost 10x more than the next states (4.4k NJ, 3.2k CA)[2]. I don’t know the rate of hospitalization for the infected, but sym…
We are now in complete lockdown to avoid full blown meltdown of the health care system. Not as bad as Italy and Spain, but still bad.
What concerns me in the US:
* The spring breakers. Massive number of college students are currently traveling and partying around the country and then returning home to their parents. These are young people without symptoms who are carrying the virus across the country and state borders. You're going to see a massive spike in cases in about a week I am afraid.
* Generally low regard of authorities, and a "culture of individualism". Many people are just going to say it's another scare tactic, "big government", mainstream media, some conspiracy etc. People - up to the president - really think they know better than scientist who have devoted their lives to studying contagious diseases.
* Patch work approach to public health. Each state has its own regulations and measures. This is not good when you need to act fast. I except federal martial law to override states could come to effect (in my country it already is - the government is currently decreeing through martial law and temporarily suppressing basic freedoms like freedom of movement protected in our constitution).
* Culture of working while sick. Many low income earners in US have no access to sick pay so they are forced to work even if sick. I understand this was however being addressed by temporarily introducing federal sick pay? If not, I'd hurry the f-ck up with that. NOW.
Remember that the virus takes effect after a delay of up to 14 days. If you're seeing ICUs filling up today and not taking measures to stop the spread, you're going to require military scale hospitals next week.
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#148Well, that’s some fear mongering. The article is all anecdotes. Most of the nurses and doctors they talked to are anonymous sources. According to the AHA[1], there are 6,146 hospitals in the US. There are 68,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the US, and 33,000 of those cases are all in New York—almost 10x more than the next states (4.4k NJ, 3.2k CA)[2]. I don’t know the rate of hospitalization for the infected, but sym…
Seriously? We've watched this thing spread over the past three months. Every single nation and state saw exponential growth of confirmed cases once community spread started happening — often doubling every 2-4 days. The growth continued until serious mitigations (like shutdowns and lockdowns) were put in place. Why do you think the rest of the US is going to be different? They're just a few doublings (some days) behi…
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#149I live in the city of New York and I think it's important that everyone nationally absorb what is happening right now and the "anecdotes" are important. By anecdotes, I mean, in particular the New York Times story and video published last night about Elmhurst Hospital in Queens (a very hard hit borough)(https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-...).
People are dying of Covid at this hospital in chairs or on floors ("Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed"). People are dying without their loved ones allowed or able to be present (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/opinion/coronavirus-hospi...) (The morgues are filling up and they are building outfoor refrigerators to hold the bodies (this is in the Elmhurst story). People with babies due are giving birth alone without their partners (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/parenting/coronavirus-lab...). People (including one in Elmhurst story with fever) are waiting multiple days outdoors (including rain) for a test and being turned away day after day after waiting all day.
Why talk about this? Is it for clickbait? To be dramatic? Because we're certain the NYC scale problems will spread to less dense areas?
No. It is because many many people in this country are continuing to not take this situation seriously. Many people (including relatives of mine on Facebook) think this is completely overblow, like the flu, not worth keeping people at home for given economic cost.
Many of these people have already ignored the hard evidence, the numbers, the consequences. Talking about terrible things that are starting to happen -- "anecdotes" -- may help shake some of these people out of their denial. And if they are prepared, and IF anything approaching NYC scale problems happens in their area, there is a better chance they will help rather than hinder efforts to flatten the curve.
Please don't dismiss what is happening here as anecdote or irrelevant. Believe me, I'm no better than you, I did this too, when this was "just" in Wuhan, or "just" in China, or "just" in Italy. I took a trip at the end of February in the U.S. on an airplane. I look back -- what was I thinking?! Now I'm locked in my apartment going on three weeks. My wife had a fever for 6 hours a little over a week ago, she's been coughing. Probably we're ok. But it's in the back of your head: What if I get sick, and she gets worse, who will take care of our kids? What if they close the stores and we can't get groceries?
I wish some of the anecdotes had reached me earlier. I hope some of these anecdotes reach others.
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#150The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…
If there is a silver lining out of SARS-CoV-2, hopefully it's that we become more careful in general about infectious diseases, and we don't quickly just revert to the previous behavior. There are so many axis (axes) on which we can improve. Rethink doors with pull handles and common surfaces in trafficked areas (Union Station in Toronto has these all over the place. Hundreds of thousands of people and you're pulling…