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Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by xbmcuser »

joegahona wrote: post #63
js2 wrote: post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

I'd love a more comprehensive discussion about the flu shot, because I've only used anecdotal evidence, and I suspect a lot of other people do the same. The first two years I got the flu shot from my employer at the time was 2007-2008, and I got a violent flu both years. Didn't get one after that for years, until last Feb, when I felt like I was going to die. Eventually went to urgent care, where I got fluids and she…

The flu shot is not just about you but also community at large. People mistakenly assume that the flu shot didn't work but it did the strain you got the shot for did not spread because a large part population was immune to it. As a result the strain people were not immune for got the chance to spread.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by smacktoward »

joshlemer wrote: post #58
beepboopbeep wrote: post #15

The American people are at the mercy of a rudderless death cult, and have increasingly been so over the past decade. It's coming to a head now. Oh, it seems I've been flagged.

Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

You must have missed the most recent round of GOP talking points, where they were suggesting we write off the lives of people in high-risk groups so everyone else can get back to work. See https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.vice.com/en_us/arti..., https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-contributor-on-pu..., https://www.mediaite.com/news/glenn-beck-issues-call-for-old... for a few examples.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by baron_harkonnen »

de_watcher wrote: post #82

It was easy to see the future: you just look up on the wiki the evolution of numbers of confirmed cases in the EU countries.

Given that the US is now neck and neck with Italy to be the first country to have more cases than China, we have been wildly exceeding any estimates based on EU countries.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by kingaillas »

joshlemer wrote: post #58
beepboopbeep wrote: post #15

The American people are at the mercy of a rudderless death cult, and have increasingly been so over the past decade. It's coming to a head now. Oh, it seems I've been flagged.

Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

The US administration (Trump) wants businesses reopened by Easter, despite the plentiful indications that would be an enormous public health disaster due to furthering the outbreak, in order to save the economy.

I think you can draw a recognizable path between this and say... the Aztecs who practiced human sacrifice in order to appease the gods. Except here the gods are the free market, human sacrifice is the willingness to accept higher number of deaths in order to feed the needs of the free market.

So yes, they are a death cult. Before they only showed it through uncompromising support of gun rights, but now it is clear they are willing to kill hundreds of thousands for their economic philosophy or Trump's re-election chances. Decide how evil that is.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by simonh »

vnchr wrote: post #34

Well, that’s some fear mongering. The article is all anecdotes. Most of the nurses and doctors they talked to are anonymous sources. According to the AHA[1], there are 6,146 hospitals in the US. There are 68,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the US, and 33,000 of those cases are all in New York—almost 10x more than the next states (4.4k NJ, 3.2k CA)[2]. I don’t know the rate of hospitalization for the infected, but sym…

That's not a worst case, it's just the current situation today. The worst case is when we reach peak concurrent infections, whenever that is and however many it is.

My wife is a nurse at a London hospital here in the UK. They're overwhelmed, whole hospitals have been converted to Covid-19 only. A nurse at another hospital here recently committed suicide because she couldn't face treating so many patients dying in agony every day. My wife's ward had some patients with other conditions transferred from one of them, but half of those patients subsequently showed symptoms soon after and now it's going through her hospital like widldfire.

She's currently living in a Premier Inn near her hospital, because her parents live with us. They're high risk and she doesn't want to bring it back with her. She's going to be working shifts over the weekend and I don't know when I'll see her again. She has asthma. Sorry if this is all too anecdotal for you.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by apocalypstyx »

joshlemer wrote: post #58
beepboopbeep wrote: post #15

The American people are at the mercy of a rudderless death cult, and have increasingly been so over the past decade. It's coming to a head now. Oh, it seems I've been flagged.

Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

The current administration is popular among evangelicals, many of whom focus on the necessity of bringing about the end of times (by getting all the Jews back to Israel, among other things, instigating or ensuring various other harbingers of the apocalypse, including promoting climate destruction and war, etc) in order that the Rapture happens so they can get taken up to heaven without having to die first, and while up there they have a front row seat to watch the sufferings of the 'non-elite' majority who will remain on the earth.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by theli0nheart »

vnchr wrote: post #34

Well, that’s some fear mongering. The article is all anecdotes. Most of the nurses and doctors they talked to are anonymous sources. According to the AHA[1], there are 6,146 hospitals in the US. There are 68,000 confirmed covid-19 cases in the US, and 33,000 of those cases are all in New York—almost 10x more than the next states (4.4k NJ, 3.2k CA)[2]. I don’t know the rate of hospitalization for the infected, but sym…

This isn't fear-mongering. This is reality.

My dad is a practicing internist in Miami. He told me last night that every ICU in the area is already filled with patients. I doubt every single one of those patients has been tested and is counting towards these official numbers.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by gameswithgo »

joshlemer wrote: post #58
beepboopbeep wrote: post #15

The American people are at the mercy of a rudderless death cult, and have increasingly been so over the past decade. It's coming to a head now. Oh, it seems I've been flagged.

Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

Its a severe way of characterizing the way many of us in American value liberty even if it harms or kills us and others.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by dominotw »

kittiepryde wrote: post #84
dominotw wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I get sick every time!" No, you don't. This is possible theoretically . yes? There is no guarantee that you get lucky from flu shot at-least once.

As it's been explained to me, you don't get the flu from the flu shot, but the vaccine forces a reaction from your immune system to prepare it to fight the real thing. The way your body reacts can make you feel sick, but you're not actually sick. And the way you feel is much more mild than what the real thing would do to you.

oh makes sense. I didn't reliase that comment meant "i get sick every time" ( from flu shot). I thought it meant "i get sick every time" regardless of flu shot.
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