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Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Its not mindblowing, if you listened to experts 3 fucking months ago. If you paid attention to abysmal quality of medical care in the US, you would have KNOWN this was INEVITABLE.

This is NOT surprising!

This is what anyone with half a brain and one eye open should have expected many months ago. Even years ago it was obvious we were not prepared for a sufficiently contagious viral outbreak.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this event has also opened my eyes to how important the flu shot is

What about this event makes the flu shot more important than otherwise?

If you have taken your flu shot and get flu like symptoms there is now a larger chance that you are experiencing a mild Coronavirus. For you it's not that important a statistic, but if everyone had flu shots it would be beneficial.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this event has also opened my eyes to how important the flu shot is

What about this event makes the flu shot more important than otherwise?

Flu is so common that people don't realise simple things like washing your hands and getting the shot would reduce the cost massively.

With Covid19 we can all see the cost, upfront and at the same time.

I'm wondering if we could actually kill the flu by sitting still for a bit. Say we stopped the world, which apparently is a possibility now. Would that get rid of it? And if it would, would it be worth it?

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

Yes, I do. Helps that I live with a Nurse Practitioner. However, the number of people I know who are convinced that getting the flu shot makes them sick or gives them the flu and thus refuse to get the shot is shocking. Some things I've actually heard: "I get sick every time!" No, you don't. "It's a LIVE VIRUS! Everybody knows this!" No, it's not. You're just an idiot hanging around with idiots.

> "I get sick every time!" No, you don't.

This is possible theoretically . yes?

There is no guarantee that you get lucky from flu shot at-least once.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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While I'm not questioning the truth of these accounts, what annoys me about all these reports is that they seem to be anecdotes rather than hard data. It's really difficult to understand what's actually going on because the data sucks. It's hard to assess just how full hospitals are, which hospitals are at capacity, how many patients are actually testing positive vs. showing up at the hospital because they feel a bit…

One of the huge failures of the government is that we still don't have any push for ubiquitous testing. South Korea's aggressive testing for the virus is a key factor in their success in suppressing the epidemic.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

Got my flu shot last year, still ended up with severe flu in February. The flu shot is not completely effective.

There are different strains of the flu and doctors sort of guess each year which strain to vaccinate for, seems like they guessed wrong in your case.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this event has also opened my eyes to how important the flu shot is

What about this event makes the flu shot more important than otherwise?

Where I live it has been public policy to only recommend the flu shot to at risk groups.

Never really gave it much thought before. Now I strongly disagree with the policy

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

#58

The American people are at the mercy of a rudderless death cult, and have increasingly been so over the past decade. It's coming to a head now. Oh, it seems I've been flagged.

Is "death cult" just a fancy way of insulting people nowadays? Or is the US administration literally associated with a religious movement that worships death or the dead?

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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The only hard data we have are death numbers. They're awful enough: https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest Other hard data takes time to collect and will only be reliable once the disaster has swept through.

They're bad, but if you put it into the context of normal daily life it's not that crazy. Check out the CDC stats[1] yourself. On average there are about ~1700 deaths per day from heart disease alone in the US, according to the CDC data. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

https://xkcd.com/2278/

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

Got my flu shot last year, still ended up with severe flu in February. The flu shot is not completely effective.

Literally nobody said it's completely effective.

In fact, if you read the experts, you'll see the the flu shot is generally a cocktail against the most prevalent strains. Since strains are left out, it's absolutely known that the flu shot will not protect you against all influenza strains.

See this page for information on how strains are selected: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm

The flu shot is not a magical guarantee that you personally won't get the flu. What it does do is lower the rate of transmission for the flu significantly, by improving the herd immunity.

People need to understand that getting the flu shot is less about helping yourself, and more about helping your community. Think of it like giving blood. It's an altruistic action that you can take to help others around you.

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