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5,000-year-old sword discovered by archaeology student at a Venetian monastery

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I know that this is more of an announcement of the recognition of the misattribution of an artifact in the museum’s collection, but I am more curious of it’s provenance; specifically, how it made its way into the museum’s collection. And what its original archaeological context was.

The article says a former student, a civil engineer, donated it. Read TFA to see all the details.

Re: 5,000-year-old sword discovered by archaeology student at a Venetian monastery

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post #39

I know that this is more of an announcement of the recognition of the misattribution of an artifact in the museum’s collection, but I am more curious of it’s provenance; specifically, how it made its way into the museum’s collection. And what its original archaeological context was.

The article says a former student, a civil engineer, donated it. Read TFA to see all the details.

Ah yes. And now I see the read more button. Thanks.

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I wasn't even aware things were really made of metal before like 2,000 years ago. Crazy! Is there a history of metal somewhere? Bronze, copper, tin, steal, gold, harvesting, forging, etc. It would be an interesting read of history, science, and discovery.

Wasn't 2000 years ago basically the height of the Roman Empire?

Yes, and 2000 years before that you have the Egyptians, who also had metal swords.

Wikipedia tells me that the earliest artifacts of metal comes from 7000 years ago.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because bronze was outdated by Roman times (let alone 1000 years later), and high quality weapons were prestigious. You can get one now because it's fun.

I'm not a historian / archaeologist, so I can't really be sure here, but I would have assumed bronze would have been valued throughout history for-at least-it's appearance? I also would have assumed the fun-factor has been a historical constant too? If you're wealthy enough, at any time since the bronze age, you might want a bronze version of [thing] for the same reasons people want a bronze [thing] now?

You raise an interesting point, and one that I have thought about quite often.

In archaeology, there seems to be an assumption that people in the past only ever did things for two reasons: Utility and religion. If an object doesn't seem to have an obvious usefulness, it's assumed that the artifact is of religious nature.

People have not changed much in the last few thousand years, and thins that we find interesting today must surely have been interesting in the past. In your example, why wouldn't a person 1000 years ago consider a replica "ancient thing" just as interesting as we do today?

Just imagine a future archaeologist looking at the modern work with the mindset of current archaeologists? What kind of religious symbolism would they ascribe to a picachu cosplay outfit?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take the opposite end and say it was discovered. If you "discovered a dinosaur" that was completely mislabeled and of the oldest dinosaurs known to man "hiding in plain sight" - you deserve it.

Certainly it is a significant contribution, but I have to admit that my mental image when reading someone dicovered an ancient sword is of someone digging it out of the ground.

Well yes. From the article the digging out of the ground part likely happened but maybe a 100 years previously.

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post #14

I wasn't even aware things were really made of metal before like 2,000 years ago. Crazy! Is there a history of metal somewhere? Bronze, copper, tin, steal, gold, harvesting, forging, etc. It would be an interesting read of history, science, and discovery.

Wasn't 2000 years ago basically the height of the Roman Empire?

I suppose so, but that doesn't tell me anything.

Edit: Downvotes? I'm expressing my own naivety. Not everyone has intuition of the heights of empires and what that means for metal usage.

Re: 5,000-year-old sword discovered by archaeology student at a Venetian monastery

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a historian / archaeologist, so I can't really be sure here, but I would have assumed bronze would have been valued throughout history for-at least-it's appearance? I also would have assumed the fun-factor has been a historical constant too? If you're wealthy enough, at any time since the bronze age, you might want a bronze version of [thing] for the same reasons people want a bronze [thing] now?

You raise an interesting point, and one that I have thought about quite often. In archaeology, there seems to be an assumption that people in the past only ever did things for two reasons: Utility and religion. If an object doesn't seem to have an obvious usefulness, it's assumed that the artifact is of religious nature. People have not changed much in the last few thousand years, and thins that we find interesting t…

I wonder if archeologists actually do believe everything was either utilitarian or religious, or if that’s just the way it gets reported?

I find it difficult to believe archaeologists, who are themselves students of the liberal arts and sciences, can’t see what we’re talking about here.

Having said that, it’s possible archeology suffers from some sort of view-narrowing where you either tow the line or get laughed out of the room?

Re: 5,000-year-old sword discovered by archaeology student at a Venetian monastery

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How does one get better at noticing that something is "off" like this sword not matching its claimed origin? To me, it took more than student being an expert here. Experts often miss things like this in my experience if they're not paying attention for it. I'm assuming that the student was the a tour not in her capacity as a Bronze age weapons specialist, so if that's true then this wasn't necessarily something she would be paying attention for.

When I notice that something is off, it's usually a fleeting thought that quickly passes. Sometimes when I notice that something is off a second time, I'll realize that I didn't "catch" the thought the first time. I think I've been getting better at catching those thoughts and writing them down. I'm also confident that there are methods to increase the frequency by which one catches these things, though I'm not certain how.

Re: 5,000-year-old sword discovered by archaeology student at a Venetian monastery

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Reminds me of the discovery of a 1,500 year old sword at the bottom of a lake thought to be King Arthur's legendary excalibur which was said to have been thrown in that same lake in Cornwall in England [0]. 𝔄𝔫𝔡 𝔰𝔬 𝔶𝔢 𝔩𝔢𝔤𝔢𝔫𝔡 𝔬𝔣 𝔈𝔵𝔠𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔟𝔲𝔯 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔱𝔯𝔲𝔢... [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/schoolgirl-e...

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