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I got my file from Clearview AI

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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by lozaning »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #178
saturday14 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…

> It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok with their data. Exploitation is the best education there is. Everything is fine until it isn't. One day, companies and governments are going to start doing things with personal information that are unacceptable to even the average person. By then, it will probably be too late.

I've heard anecdotally that the DOD takes privacy and security significantly more seriously post OPM hack.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by air7 »

The thorny issue here is that this is all public information put forth willingly by people. These are not leaked medical records. In a way these abilities are like a person saying "hmm isn't that the guy from that thing a while back?" What are the limits of what is allowed to do with public data? I don't have a clear opinion.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by gpderetta »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #166
lolc wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be surprised: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Search for how many of those enforcements came from Ireland. Now look up what country's GDPR authority Google and Facebook and most American companies are choosing to be subject to. It's not a coincidence that the place that hosts all US company's remote headquarters isn't participating in GDPR enforcement.

Ireland tried to give a great deal to Apple. The EU didn't take it very well [1]. I wouldn't be surprised if the EU will investigate Irish GDPR enforcement.

edit: also France did fine Google just fine.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_illegal_State_aid_case_agai...

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by Skunkleton »

air7 wrote: post #202

The thorny issue here is that this is all public information put forth willingly by people. These are not leaked medical records. In a way these abilities are like a person saying "hmm isn't that the guy from that thing a while back?" What are the limits of what is allowed to do with public data? I don't have a clear opinion.

The data was shared willingly within the understanding of the person making that decision. Do people really understand how much data in their day to day life they have “willingly” shared?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dathinab »

101404 wrote: post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

Legal actions are currently in the process of being carried out. But this take some time to clarify thinks.

Like part of the pictures come from old failed social networks which sold them and which in their AGB _might_ state that they can do so. Now it's questionable if such AGB is valid at all but as such it needs to:

- If European citizens are affected (it's hard to be be the case). - the exact legal status as pictures might have been optained legally before GDPR - ... - also note Clearview stores biometric data (devices from the images, necessary or "fast" search/lookup would not be implementable

So I would not be surprised that Clearview will be required to delete all data from which it can not be sure it's not from EU citizens, which I think would mean all data given what they store and what they don't store. Obviously they won't comply and a EU wide arrest warrant might follow which is kinda useless if the person doesn't enter the EU. I highly doubt that they will try a international warrant.

So practically it's unlike that anything will change except the operators of Clearview being listed official as "potential" criminal (no arrest => no court => innocent until convicted)

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by manigandham »

101404 wrote: post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

GDPR is EU law and does not cover American corporations. It relies entirely on foreign cooperation [1] to extend that reach internationally, which so far has been untested and is not likely to get any real support in the near term given the current economic situation.

1. https://gdpr.eu/article-50-countries-outside-of-europe-coope...

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by efreak »

dnissley wrote: post #179
saturday14 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…

Is potential surveillance by government entities the primary reason you are against companies generally doing whatever they want with user data? Are there other rationales? Just like your friends, I personally don't particularly care either, but from time to time I have tried to understand the privacy crowd's obsession with this issue and the rationale behind laws like the GDPR and CCPA, as well as the desire for eve…

Check out https://cyber.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Privacy_Manifesto

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by drivebycomment »

A related thought experiment. What if Google or Bing build an image search service based on the face recognition ? If you don't like that idea, how about doing that for celebrities and public figures? If you are ok with one but not the other, what would be a good line distinguishing them and guiding principle? If you are not ok with either or ok with both, why?

More I think about it, more I lean toward allowing both, but I can see why people would not like it.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by vharuck »

Funes- wrote: post #187

Nobody should be posting their private data (pictures or videos, for instance) on a publicly accessible site if they want privacy. Look, if you want your relatives, friends, and even acquaintances to see whatever you want them to, just do it through a medium that allows for private communication. It's just common sense.

>It's just common sense.

Based on what and how people share online, the "common" sense is an expectation of decency in not vacuuming data just because you can. You and I know that's silly, but that's not common sense.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by sgarman »

meowface wrote: post #86
shmageggy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense to me. This is a database keyed by facial images. They don't know your name with certainty. The only way to look you up in the database is by face. Then presumably they need the ID to make sure it's you who's requesting the info. Hard to imagine how else to do it, given the nature of the technology.

Exactly. Otherwise, this is just a vector for any person to exploit the process and freely play cop by uploading a photo of someone they're trying to track.

But isn't that whole value of their service?
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