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Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by notfed »

cap10morgan wrote: post #7
cfstras wrote: post #4

The description says that my repo is uploaded to the "decentralized service Skynet" -- But I can't seem to figure out how one would participate in hosting this service. Does only Sia, the company, host nodes for Skynet? Or is this a plot to increase the visibility of Siacoin?

dgit dev here. Good question. For starters, dgit is not 100% tied to Sia, it's just a great decentralized file hosting service so we started with it as the first default. But to answer your question, anyone can host Sia nodes. Here are their docs on that: https://support.sia.tech/category/0OpBuOHIVD-hosting

What makes Skynet more decentralized than GitHub? Guess I'm confused.

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by oefrha »

cap10morgan wrote: post #20
oefrha wrote: post #13

Not being able to pull from or push to the git remote is pretty low on the list of problems when GitHub goes down. If that’s the main problem I’ll just set up gitolite on a server (and I do) and call it a day. All the issue/PR discussions and CI/CD are the real problems, and this doesn’t seem to help at all, so good luck collaborating without changing your workflow when GitHub is down.

Our setup process is a much lighter lift than standing up a server and installing gitolite on it. But yes, if GitHub is down, then your workflow is going to change. We're hoping to close that gap down the road, but having a way to continue pushing and pulling with collaborators with a very quick setup seemed compelling to us. Not to mention the benefits that decentralization itself brings. The vast majority of git us…

> Our setup process is a much lighter lift than standing up a server and installing gitolite on it.

I think a counter to that is only one person needs to set up the additional git remote, compared to everyone having to install additional software to use dgit.

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by pdonis »

zonotope wrote: post #17
lucideer wrote: post #16

As others have commented, this appears to be a decentralised alternative to GitHUB rather than Git itself (which is already decentralised). For a similar project, see git-ssb https://git.scuttlebot.io/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoy...

Another Dgit deve here. You're right. Git is decentralized, but most people use centralized git remotes like GitHub. Dgit makes using a decentralized git remote easier. Eventually we'll build more decentralized alternatives to other GitHub features, but the most important value proposition that GitHub provides now is as a git remote, so that's what we started with. We've provide a GitHub action that allows you to use…

> a decentralized git remote

How is the git remote you provide "decentralized" as compared with the remote provided by GitHub?

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by cap10morgan »

michaelmure wrote: post #14
oefrha wrote: post #13

Not being able to pull from or push to the git remote is pretty low on the list of problems when GitHub goes down. If that’s the main problem I’ll just set up gitolite on a server (and I do) and call it a day. All the issue/PR discussions and CI/CD are the real problems, and this doesn’t seem to help at all, so good luck collaborating without changing your workflow when GitHub is down.

Shameless plug regarding the issues: https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug

Cool! We'll look into that.

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by zonotope »

pdonis wrote: post #23
zonotope wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Dgit deve here. You're right. Git is decentralized, but most people use centralized git remotes like GitHub. Dgit makes using a decentralized git remote easier. Eventually we'll build more decentralized alternatives to other GitHub features, but the most important value proposition that GitHub provides now is as a git remote, so that's what we started with. We've provide a GitHub action that allows you to use…

> a decentralized git remote How is the git remote you provide "decentralized" as compared with the remote provided by GitHub?

Anyone can run a Sia node, and anyone will (eventually) be able to run a Tupelo node, but only GitHub manages GitHub. It's decentralized because these networks were designed not to be managed by a single entity, unlike GitHub.

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by cap10morgan »

oefrha wrote: post #22
cap10morgan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our setup process is a much lighter lift than standing up a server and installing gitolite on it. But yes, if GitHub is down, then your workflow is going to change. We're hoping to close that gap down the road, but having a way to continue pushing and pulling with collaborators with a very quick setup seemed compelling to us. Not to mention the benefits that decentralization itself brings. The vast majority of git us…

> Our setup process is a much lighter lift than standing up a server and installing gitolite on it. I think a counter to that is only one person needs to set up the additional git remote, compared to everyone having to install additional software to use dgit.

Totally fair. We definitely want to make that install process very simple and fast for as many people as we can. And it only needs to be done once per machine. :)

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by zonotope »

notfed wrote: post #21
cap10morgan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dgit dev here. Good question. For starters, dgit is not 100% tied to Sia, it's just a great decentralized file hosting service so we started with it as the first default. But to answer your question, anyone can host Sia nodes. Here are their docs on that: https://support.sia.tech/category/0OpBuOHIVD-hosting

What makes Skynet more decentralized than GitHub? Guess I'm confused.

Anyone can host a Sia node, but only GitHub can manage GitHub: https://support.sia.tech/category/0OpBuOHIVD-hosting

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by NickBusey »

This is cool, but is anyone aware of a system that is like GitHub/GitLab, but PR/MRs and commits are actually voted on by the community rather than a handful of maintainers? Something like the way DAOs are supposed to work, but applied to code?

Re: Dgit: Git with decentralized remotes

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Post by bpw »

brian_herman__ wrote: post #18
zonotope wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Dgit deve here. You're right. Git is decentralized, but most people use centralized git remotes like GitHub. Dgit makes using a decentralized git remote easier. Eventually we'll build more decentralized alternatives to other GitHub features, but the most important value proposition that GitHub provides now is as a git remote, so that's what we started with. We've provide a GitHub action that allows you to use…

do you provide advantages to ssb?

dgit dev here: first, let me say git-ssb is a great project as well!

We see a few distinct advantages:

- Using dgit doesn't require running a "node" of any kind (aka an SSB peer). This is possible because of the unique architecture of the Tupelo DLT: https://github.com/quorumcontrol/tupelo.

- Because of ^, installing and adding a dgit remote to your existing workflow is super easy.

- The storage in dgit is separated from the ownership of the repo. This means you can distribute the actual git objects across any storage system you would like, see my comment to cfstras below.

ssb is a few years ahead here - having a web ui and more robust suite of collaboration tools is great, but we're hoping to add those features down the road as well! Another unique advantage is the Tupelo js client (https://github.com/QuorumControl/tupelo-wasm-sdk) can run fully in the browser, meaning a fully decentralized UI is possible!

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