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Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Post by hef19898 »

kyleee wrote: post #114
mirimir wrote: post #98

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Just a couple days ago, I spoke with a patient rep for a medical practice in metro NYC. She was obviously working from home, with a young child yelling, and pressing buttons on the phone. And obviously tense. So I just said that I understood that she was working from home, and that everything was OK. And then everything was OK, and her child quieted down.

Yep, I've been finding it comforting to talk about it (even briefly) to clear up some of the pressure. I think it's nice that you've done that and I appreciated it when someone brought it up similarly with me while on a call. It allowed me to relax a bit and refocus as opposed to just trying to ignore the interruptions and being anxious about it

That's key, I think. Way before Corona, I worked for a tram at Amazon that ended up to have three parents of small children on it me included. Q4 calls were fun, there were times were the children started to talk yo each other. Our manager was ok with it. Performance was good, things got done and remote work went perfectly well. A different manager could have easily had the opposite effect so.

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Post by Kaiyou »

lonelappde wrote: post #134
Kaiyou wrote: post #93

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Because maybe in their experience - it definitely was in mine - it didn't happen at all in school. I always disliked school because of the other students that got in the way of my peaceful life. Never had a single friend throughout school and college, either. Maybe you think social learning just happens by putting kids together, but that's bullshit. People like me who'd needed it the most didn't get any of it during…

School was bad for you. An alternative would have been good. Sure. But was school bad for everyone? If you never had a friend all the way through college, you are nowhere the majority.

So not being the majority makes it okay to completely dismiss me? Was corporal punishment bad for every kid? Is waging war bad for everyone involved? It's a dishonest question.

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Post by mac01021 »

Kaiyou wrote: post #94
avip wrote: post #84

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It is not possible to give "actual attention to students over video". There really is no such thing. Remote teaching does not, can not, and should not work for young kids. It's not a university. (source: life)

It will work fine for all the INTPs and similar personality types. The rest is screwed.

My preschooler is probably something like INTP. Teleconference learning is not working great for her so far.

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Post by mac01021 »

api wrote: post #51
zxcmx wrote: post #23

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Our ancestors got their children working as soon as they were able. Farm work, piece work, factory work, whatever. Kind of frowned upon now.

It's not possible now. I'd say a good 80% of the work I do requires at least a year of intensive study and/or hands-on learning to even be capable of attempting and another 5-10 years to master. Nowadays someone needs a minimum of four years of college to be able to do anything. You can't start contributing to society until you're 20. Everything easy has been automated or outsourced.

I unloaded trucks, scraped foodscraps into the trash, and delivered pizzas all before the age of 20. Not thrilling work, but it can pay the rent.

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Post by mac01021 »

projektfu wrote: post #66
api wrote: post #22

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I realized after I had kids that a huge amount of "new urbanist" thought is driven by the young and childless and does not incorporate the needs of people with children or of children themselves. This falls under the same category. Without child care or some place for the children to go, it's absolutely impossible to work from home. If only one parent works it can be done, but if both parents have to telework it's a…

It sort of makes you wonder where we went wrong. Other social forms had children integrated into the things adults do.

If I could, in a sensible way, engage my 3-year-old in adding features with me to this springboot service, I totally would.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Post by xenonite »

ABeeSea wrote: post #47
harikb wrote: post #41

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About the open-office vs individual- in this particular case though individual offices would have been just as dangerous, since the ventilation system is all connected. although I agree the lower density of workers would have helped.

Not disagreeing that the office setup wouldn’t make a difference. But there is almost no evidence that the virus can spread through ventilation. It can only be aerosoled in very rare instances (like during intubation) and droplets would fall to the ground before reaching the ventilation systems.

Aerosols are created when flushing the toilet, and the virus is detectable in stool, so there is another vector.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #79
aivisol wrote: post #34

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One thing that stroke me yesterday looking at my 13-year old is that children actually suffer more than adults. While we are allowed to take occasional walk out of our homes ( groceries, etc), they are totally locked up - no friends, no school socializing, everything is virtual only. If this lockdown lasts for any long period of time, it might backfire badly on them.

Something to note is that depending on where you live, people can still go outside. They just need to stay away from people. If you live in a suburban or rural environment odds are there are at least walking paths nearby. Go on a walk, run, or bike ride. Nothing in those activities requires interacting with others as long as you keep a mind to keep your distance and they do wonders for keeping the cabin fever at bay.…

In France at least, the lockdown already stipulates no bike riding. And even if one goes out for a walk or jog, one cannot go more than 1 km from one's home. This situation is expected to last many weeks more. Cabin fever is a real concern.

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Post by Kaiyou »

mac01021 wrote: post #143
Kaiyou wrote: post #94

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It will work fine for all the INTPs and similar personality types. The rest is screwed.

My preschooler is probably something like INTP. Teleconference learning is not working great for her so far.

It's easy enough to test whether someone is an INTP with an online personality test. Basically INTPs will look like autists. They don't talk unless asked and dislike the company of other people.

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Post by cerberusss »

mirimir wrote: post #98
hef19898 wrote: post #87

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I would assume running a team of 12 people being the first time in there whole careers working from that is planning global production for a multi billion dollar business is a real job. As trying to get a bootstrapped startup of the ground. The first case is my wife, the second one me. We have two kids. For obvious reasons I had my office at home anyway. For two weeks bow it is WFH for both of us. Plus the kids at ho…

Just a couple days ago, I spoke with a patient rep for a medical practice in metro NYC. She was obviously working from home, with a young child yelling, and pressing buttons on the phone. And obviously tense. So I just said that I understood that she was working from home, and that everything was OK. And then everything was OK, and her child quieted down.

Well done, sir/ma'am. A little bit of understanding goes a long way.

Re: Our Self-Isolating Future: How working from home could reshape society

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Post by aivisol »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #147
CuriousCosmic wrote: post #79

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Something to note is that depending on where you live, people can still go outside. They just need to stay away from people. If you live in a suburban or rural environment odds are there are at least walking paths nearby. Go on a walk, run, or bike ride. Nothing in those activities requires interacting with others as long as you keep a mind to keep your distance and they do wonders for keeping the cabin fever at bay.…

In France at least, the lockdown already stipulates no bike riding. And even if one goes out for a walk or jog, one cannot go more than 1 km from one's home. This situation is expected to last many weeks more. Cabin fever is a real concern.

In Spain no walking, biking, jogging etc is allowed. If you have a dog, you can walk it max 100m from your home.

But as I said above, we, adults can understand and cope with it easier than kids. And sadly, when we make our decisions, needs of children often is an aftertought.

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