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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by PeterisP »

40four wrote: post #23
nl wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't read the full coverage, but it does appear it occurred at a pedestrian crossing, and there doesn't appear to be any dispute that it was properly signposted. Most countries require greater care at pedestrian crossings.

I don’t know man. I’m sorry I don’t know the language, looks like Russian? Or something closely related? But based on the parent comment translation, and the translation on the issue page, I’m not sure we should be quick to condemn this person. The court report says he was going 60kph. That’s barley over 35mph, a normal speed limit for city streets. So it appears he was not speeding. If it really was a drunk guy, lit…

We have a clear idea of what the crossing looks like, "переходящим проезжую часть по нерегулируемому пешеходному переходу, обозначенному знаками 5.19.1 и 5.19.2, а также дорожной разметкой 1.14.1," means that it was a "zebra crossing" marked on the road and with appropriate street signs before it.

In Russia, pedestrians have right of way on such a crossing, and drivers are required to be able to stop so that if a pedestrian starts crossing, they can yield (is that the proper term in English road rules?) to that pedestrian - i.e. even if you can't see any people, the marked crossing is considered as a warning to drivers that there might be pedestrians crossing and they must be able to stop and yield there.

So in cases of poor road conditions (e.g. ice) and poor visibility, they would be legally required to choose a speed so that they can do so suddenly if needed. This necessity to drive slower given the street signs and conditions is also explicitly mentioned in the court ruling as part of justification of why the defendant is considered guilty.

So it's not really an analogy of a person lying on the road, because that's not a "normal" stretch of road - if someone decides to drunkenly crawl across such a pedestrian crossing, then that would be stupid and reckless and dangerous, but legally they still would have right of way and cars would required to stop and yield as if they had a red light.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by PeterisP »

ssijak wrote: post #59

What if the person lying on the road survived and the person driving the motorbike died. Would the person lying on the road be charged for manslaughter? And if yes, how is this situation different to shift the blame from one person to another.

The court determined that in this case (on a marked pedestrian crossing where pedestrians have right of way) the bike driver broke the rules of traffic as he should have stopped before the crossing; and it did not determine that the pedestrians broke the rules of traffic.

So if the person lying on the road survived and the person driving the motorbike died, then it's plausible that the person lying on the road would be charged for manslaughter in order to determine the situation (I believe that in case of fatal traffic incidents involving more than one party, in Russia almost always a criminal investigation is opened) but would be found not guilty.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

petre wrote: post #54
jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

Unfortunately, pepole go to prison in Russia for lesser things. I've met a guy who has spent 8 months shared between a jail, a Russian prison and a penal colony (the worst of the three) because he was dumb enough to say he had a bomb in his souvenir bag when an aiport guard kicked it and asked what the (obvious) item was. He wrote a book about the aforementioned experience. So be extra careful what you say or do if y…

That happened around 2006? It’s 2 years after Beslan school siege, when terrorists took hostage 1100 children and 334 died. It’s a stupid thing to say, especially when country is still mourning and on high terrorist alert. Try making a joke at a US airport in 2003 that you have a bomb. I’m pretty sure you’d have weapons drawn on you in a second and ending up worse than spending 8 months in a jail.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by cousin_it »

sdegutis wrote: post #20
jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

After reading the whole translation linked in the GitHub issue, and being a father of 6 kids who love to make me practice being a judge every day as if I have nothing better to do, I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable. Even in our tiny library parking lot, I very often see people driving unreasonably fast between all the parked cars and the library door, often within a foot of the cars. Even if they are driving w…

> I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable.

And I'm not. The Russian justice system convicts 99.75% of those accused. The police work may or may not have been reasonable, but the judgment is a rubber stamp.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by fabioborellini »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #117
nostromo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

Isn't that also because of how the US seems to be mostly designed for driving, not so much for pedestrians or cyclists? I mean I was in a suburb in Michigan once, walking to a nearby shop there were just no sidewalks.

Only drivers are considered human in the Shithole of A.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by imtringued »

orliesaurus wrote: post #34

I am really curious as to what happens here, remember left-pad controversy? [1][2] This is like round 2. How will npm/github act now? Especially now that it's Microsoft's npm /s [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/npm_left_pad_chaos/ [2] https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141577284765/kik-left-pad-and-np...

The project still exists. It's just unmaintained and needs new leadership. This is something almost every long lived project or company will go through.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by gbuk2013 »

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

> Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries.

In the U.K. 1-2 years it seems.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causing_death_by_dangerous_d...

Having read the facts appeal case you linked to it does not seem unreasonable (colliding with pedestrians on a marked and signed road crossing, travelling at >30mph). In the U.K. there is definitely an expectation that you slow down before a crossing.

In this case the court applied the minimum sentence and appeal rejected the victims’s side request for a harsher sentence.

The facts in the appeal case list many factors, some of which are not in favour of the driver (one pedestrian was trying to pick up the other so they were unlikely to have been lying down on the road and oncoming vehicles were flashing lights as a warning).

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by [deleted] »

enitihas wrote: post #116

The entitlement in that thread is mind blowing. A lot of people who are complaining about there being only a single maintainer, seem to have no open source contribution history on github. If the project is important to so many people, they sure didn't show it by donating to the maintainer. Saying XYZ project is important to me, and there should be some js foundation taking care of it, (implicitly also saying I have z…

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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by garborg »

MiroF wrote: post #24
nostromo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

Not a statistic that's great to pass around but I have read that drunk pedestrian walking is more dangerous than drunk driving (to the driver). Taking an uber is always the move.

Perhaps reading Super Freakonomics?

Rehashed here: https://freakonomics.com/2011/12/28/the-perils-of-drunk-walk... Google will provide people who don't like assumptions made in Levitt's math.

Disclaimer -- I did research for Levitt and John List when I was planning to go for an Econ PhD, but on nothing related to drunk driving.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Frost1x »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #94
SaxonRobber wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what happens when the Free is removed from FOSS.

Absolutely, free means free to take and use, but free also means freedom of the developers from owing anybody anything or any responsibility. FOSS became entitlement for big companies to demand free work from third world country developers while making millions...

Another part of the loop is that many hiring groups also expect to see some public code out there. Maybe it's some library or widely popular project that helps your hiring chances or maybe it's just a toy project. None the less, you better have something sitting out there active for free.

Then, once you're hired and they're paying you, they certainly don't want you wasting their resources (paid time, IP) contributing free software.

The entire tech industry is morphing more and more into a dumpster fire itself.

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