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Re: Locked-down lawyers warned Alexa is hearing confidential calls

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> But I doubt they listen for anything but their keyword > I can't imagine the NSA and other covert organizations not drooling at the chance to do just that. Why doubt? Why imagine? You know that, for data on big corporation's servers, the NSA already gets a copy of everything - and everything is recorded forever without you really being able to delete it. Why would this be so different for voluntary self-espionage d…

> You know that, for data on big corporation's servers, the NSA already gets a copy of everything This is squarely in conspiracy theory realm. Nothing in the Snowden documents or other leaks hinted at this (except for the NSA snooping on unencrypted internal links, which is useless now that everyone encrypts everything). > Why would this be so different for voluntary self-espionage devices (Alex, Dot etc.)? Why would…

> This is squarely in conspiracy theory realm. Nothing in the Snowden documents or other leaks hinted at this

On the contrary. The leaks say this, specifically. You should read up on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

To quote Snowden personally (on XKeyscore):

> You could read anyone's email in the world, anybody

> you've got an email address for. Any website: You can

> watch traffic to and from it. Any computer that an

> individual sits at: You can watch it. Any laptop that

> you're tracking: you can follow it as it moves from

> place to place throughout the world. It's a one-stop-

> shop for access to the NSA's information. ... You can

> tag individuals ... Let's say you work at a major

> German corporation and I want access to that network,

> I can track your username on a website on a forum

> somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track

> associations with your friends and I can build what's

> called a fingerprint, which is network activity unique

> to you, which means anywhere you go in the world,

> anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence,

> your identity.

Re: Locked-down lawyers warned Alexa is hearing confidential calls

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The Snowden documents are old now while this has become the hottest gift. "Why would a big tech company willfully infringe on their customer's privacy?" to comply with a national security order. These companies are not lawless entities fighting for good.

I don't think NSL can even be used request the actual content of the recordings (vs. "just" the metadata) - a judge would have to sign off on that. Now, clearly there's a lot of questionable practices like secret courts, gag orders and ineffective oversight in general, but this is still far from "for data on big corporation's servers, the NSA already gets a copy of everything", and very far from "being forced to depl…

Stop gaslighting for the US government. You're ignoring publicly available information, universally recognized as factual.

Re: Locked-down lawyers warned Alexa is hearing confidential calls

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Alexa has been caught numerous times in the past

At least they were transparent about having a mic that's always listening. Google sneaked a microphone in some speaker device trojan-horse style, enabling it only when lots of such speakers were already deployed. Sneaky.

Agreed Google’s is as much to blame. But listening to you and being kind enough to tell us doesn’t make Amazon innocent

Re: Locked-down lawyers warned Alexa is hearing confidential calls

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At least they were transparent about having a mic that's always listening. Google sneaked a microphone in some speaker device trojan-horse style, enabling it only when lots of such speakers were already deployed. Sneaky.

Agreed Google’s is as much to blame. But listening to you and being kind enough to tell us doesn’t make Amazon innocent

It doesn't. They're just not the only evil ones, and thus I find it's wrong to use such a title. Either call them all out or none. "Always-listening voice assistant" would have worked well in place of Alexa.
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