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I got my file from Clearview AI

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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by gertrunde »

JDulin wrote: post #64
40four wrote: post #9

I used to think some of my peers were being overly cautious by purposely trying to obfuscate their online profile. Back in the day, I couldn’t care less about putting in effort to try to protect my online privacy. I have slowly but surely come to see the light. Now it’s at the forefront of my mind at all times. Learning about this company (and I imagine other unknown entities are doing the same) has encouraged me to…

Just for the record, the journalist who broke the story on Clearview noted that Clearview AI has specifically demonstrated it isn't fooled by thispersondoesnotexist.com: https://twitter.com/kashhill/status/1218542846694871040?s=20 You won't be giving them any info on you, but you won't be confounding them either.

I'm not sure what is not working-as-intended here?

Run facial recognition against computer generated face, got no matches. Surely that is the expected and intended result from both parties?

Or is it expected to match against a different face?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by sdan »

shmageggy wrote: post #96

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year. Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

You can even upload the scraped images onto google photos (does a boatload of ai classification)

Pretty much anyone with python familiarity can do this.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by manmal »

shmageggy wrote: post #96

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year. Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

I think Clearview having indexed basically all public information about people gives them a serious advantage for face recognition and building up a network of relationships between people.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by davedx »

fg6hr wrote: post #29

It's interesting how collecting or distributing files with music is a grave crime and corporations can take down anything they don't like with a half-assed DMCA request, with no repercussions for "mistakes", but a person's face image doesn't belong to that person and the same corporations can safely collect and distribute these images for profit.

YouTube takes this one step further to the ridiculous extreme that if you are live streaming a DJ set, it censors your stream in realtime whenever it detects a copyrighted song, i.e. a good 1/3 of your stream. It doesn't need a DMCA request, it does it willingly.

YouTube is so horrible now for content creation, I don't understand how content creators are able to post anything anymore without it being smashed by the copyright automation.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dredmorbius »

himinlomax wrote: post #85
chii wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not being anonymous is not such a big risk. the world has always been anonymous because of the lack of capability to track large amounts of data - until recently. Anonymity allows you safety from any one who seeks to predate you. I think that safety needs to be maintained. People stupidly put photos of themselves online, then face tag their friends. This allows third parties to identify your friends and circles, an…

> the world has always been anonymous because of the lack of capability to track large amounts of data - until recently. The first data privacy law ("loi informatique et liberté") were introduced in France around 1980, after a controversial government project to create a massive database of people generated a huge scandal. So it's been possible for quite a while, it's just that it was reserved to state actors.

Privacy laws, much like noise ordinances and pollution regulations, are emergent responses to novel threats and ills.

In a world without the printing press, anti-libel laws didn't exist. In a world without photography, rights to personal image and freedom from invasive shutterbugs didn't esist. Anti-wiretapping and phone-recording restrictions were necessitated by the telephone. The Bork bill protecting the sanctity of ... video store rental records ... was necessitated by videocassette technology, a video rental market, Supreme Court nomination hearings, chatty store clerks, and newspapers interested in publishing such details.

As technologies tear down and penetrate the long-standing barriers to snooping, recording, transmitting, analyzing, and acting on what had always. been personal and private behaviours, societies turn to law to reinstitute those protections.

Privacy is an emergent phenomenon and a direct response to intrusions.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dredmorbius »

fredsanford wrote: post #66
martin-adams wrote: post #58

So will we see a new normal that if you delete your data, you’re considered suspicious as it looks like you might be hiding something. Personal data may soon become the same as a credit score. No data, high risk.

This is already here with Google if you use oBlock or uMatrix. Endless Captchas... "We detected suspicious blah blah blah"

My Recatcha policy: https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/102054627041751386

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by speedgoose »

_fullpint wrote: post #17
sxp wrote: post #10

The article is missing a link to the Clearview forms to request a copy of the data or request deletion: https://clearview.ai/privacy/requests

Its absolutely wild that for anyone that's not a resident of California or EU/UK -- there isn't a way for you to request anything other than specific images/links.

Norway also has GDPR.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dredmorbius »

chippy wrote: post #89

Would you help and use Clearview if it was being used in your governments strategy against coronavirus? Would you volunteer your time to tag images with your friends and acquaintances, to help slow down the virus? To do otherwise would be immoral and lead to the death of thousands, right? To those worried about that, it's just temporary. It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any mo…

Yuval Noah Harrari, "The world after coronavirus"

https://www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcc...

Bruce Schneier, "Emergency Surveillance During COVID-19 Crisis"

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/03/emergency_sur...

I'd have very grave misgivings.

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