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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by toxicFork »

chippy wrote: post #89

Would you help and use Clearview if it was being used in your governments strategy against coronavirus? Would you volunteer your time to tag images with your friends and acquaintances, to help slow down the virus? To do otherwise would be immoral and lead to the death of thousands, right? To those worried about that, it's just temporary. It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any mo…

"It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any more."

I heard about this before...

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by meowface »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #76
LockAndLol wrote: post #73

I'm not entirely sure what's so shocking about public data, shared willingly by the person to the public, being used to identify the person. If the data weren't/hadn't been shared willingly, I'd definitely see that as a problem. Same thing as if the data were to have been gleaned from non-public sources e.g the person's private belongings or secured digital realms like private forums, password encrypted backups, priv…

It's about trust and permission. If I give e.g. a local news website permission to use my portrait, I do NOT implicitly give permission to Clearview, Google, Facebook, etc to use it for their own purposes. I mean it's implicitly known that anything you post on the internet is public property, but legally that is not the case. Portrait law (at least in my country). You can't just take someone's portrait and use it for…

Are they actually using it, though? Or are they just a search engine presenting public links that are hosting the photos of your face? Is linking to something covered by GDPR?

Couldn't this same argument be made for Google reverse image search? Reverse image search someone's face and you're likely to get links to places that photo is located; potentially including links to different photos of their face, as well.

They're likely mirroring local copies of the photos as well when they show you the link (in case a link later 404s or changes), but so is Google reverse image search, I believe.

If your position is that both things are wrong, that's fine, but would Google then basically have to remove the entire feature? Or prevent searches for any photo containing any faces?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by newswasboring »

chippy wrote: post #89

Would you help and use Clearview if it was being used in your governments strategy against coronavirus? Would you volunteer your time to tag images with your friends and acquaintances, to help slow down the virus? To do otherwise would be immoral and lead to the death of thousands, right? To those worried about that, it's just temporary. It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any mo…

Yes I will. But only if assurances are made that all this work will be destroyed after the pandemic is over. I give my consent for one task and after that task is over that data should not be used. Its the same case as people being allowed to kill in war but not after. Although weapons are kept after wars strict measures are in place to stop them from reaching unauthorized hands. These measures are not perfect but they are really good and in good faith should be continuously improved.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by Cyykratahk »

koolba wrote: post #5

This website does some crazy redirect loop between medium at the sub domain when opened without JS. How is that even possible?

I had the same issue. Found it was because I had set Firefox to block all cookies for medium.com (probably to get around the article limit).

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dabbledash »

chippy wrote: post #89

Would you help and use Clearview if it was being used in your governments strategy against coronavirus? Would you volunteer your time to tag images with your friends and acquaintances, to help slow down the virus? To do otherwise would be immoral and lead to the death of thousands, right? To those worried about that, it's just temporary. It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any mo…

No.

This isn’t even a hard question.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by shmageggy »

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year.

Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by irjustin »

shmageggy wrote: post #96

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year. Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

Maybe over generous, may be not. We shouldn't get stuck on the accuracy of the dollar amount. The point the author is trying to make is that there will always be "ClearView".

So, we need strong legislation around the use of this technology especially when it comes to law enforcement as opposed to trying to kill the idea itself because that's unrealistic. Just as you said, you could start it from your laptop.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by sullyj3 »

shmageggy wrote: post #96

> For a few million dollars, nearly anyone with a startup background could likely build their own version of Clearview in less than a year. Am I being naive, or is this being overly generous? What about this can not be recreated with an off-the-shelf web scraper and a pretrained facial recognizer?

Probably the scale.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by chippy »

dabbledash wrote: post #95
chippy wrote: post #89

Would you help and use Clearview if it was being used in your governments strategy against coronavirus? Would you volunteer your time to tag images with your friends and acquaintances, to help slow down the virus? To do otherwise would be immoral and lead to the death of thousands, right? To those worried about that, it's just temporary. It would just last a few months and then you don't need to worry about it any mo…

No. This isn’t even a hard question.

What if everyone around you told you that by not using it you were contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands?

Edits - and what if your friends and family tag you and add your details instead? That way you dont need to actively support it.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Post by dabbledash »

chippy wrote: post #99
dabbledash wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This isn’t even a hard question.

What if everyone around you told you that by not using it you were contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands? Edits - and what if your friends and family tag you and add your details instead? That way you dont need to actively support it.

Isn’t this part of the original question? No. The justification for mass surveillance and totalitarianism is always “it will make us safer in the short term.”

No one who knows me will be surprised to find out that I think it creates larger long term dangers or that safety isn’t my highest value in any case.

Response to the edit: I don’t know how I would react, because they didn’t have malicious intent, but they still wronged me. I would be angry with them, and it would definitely have a negative effect on our relationships.

I wouldn’t look down on anyone who wanted to tag their own photos.

And I would be willing to do geo tracking with something that I believed was actually temporary. Give me a dongle I can throw away when this is all over and I’ll carry it around.

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