CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork? • Hacker News Board

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#21

Post by lzsiga » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:54 AM UTC

jakear wrote: post #6

meritt wrote: post #5

Can NPM not just override "core-js" when performing dependency resolution and point to a maintained fork?

Would you want all packages you're responsible for being taken over by whomever happens to be NPM's preferred forker in the event of your getting into legal troubles? I'd be strongly against that. This should be handled the way any other fork happens: people create forks, other people audit them for stability and choose which to update their dependencies to. This isn't up to NPM to decide.

Something like that happened with `leftpad` in 2016.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#22

Post by MiroF » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:55 AM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #15

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

One could go to prison for this in USA, but only if the local police and prosecutors already hated one's guts for other reasons. In most cases a drunk pedestrian would be considered less sympathetic than a sober driver. Yes it is a pretty shabby "justice" when sympathies rather than facts determine verdicts.

The US justice system in general is pretty sympathetic to drivers in general, I doubt a case like this would see over a year of jail time here, and likely none at all.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#23

Post by 40four » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:56 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #10

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

I haven't read the full coverage, but it does appear it occurred at a pedestrian crossing, and there doesn't appear to be any dispute that it was properly signposted. Most countries require greater care at pedestrian crossings.

I don’t know man. I’m sorry I don’t know the language, looks like Russian? Or something closely related? But based on the parent comment translation, and the translation on the issue page, I’m not sure we should be quick to condemn this person.

The court report says he was going 60kph. That’s barley over 35mph, a normal speed limit for city streets. So it appears he was not speeding.

If it really was a drunk guy, literally lying down in the road, at night time (!?!), I don’t think anyone could be reasonably expected be able to respond to that in time.

We don’t know, but assuming that is actually how it played out, it doesn’t sound like the driver did anything malicious. He’s lucky he wasn’t killed himself. I don’t think it’s fair to say ” Most countries require greater care at pedestrian crossings.”

We have no idea what the road or crossing looks like. An awfully unfortunate series of events for both parties it sounds like. Very sad.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#24

Post by MiroF » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:56 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #17

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

Not a statistic that's great to pass around but I have read that drunk pedestrian walking is more dangerous than drunk driving (to the driver).

Taking an uber is always the move.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#25

Post by oefrha » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:57 AM UTC

agildehaus wrote: post #16

Couldn't someone he trusts just ask him for credentials? It may be harder to contact him right now, but not impossible.

Not if the credentials are in a password manager. Will I divulge my master password just so that someone else could maintain a project that I can’t? The most likely answer is no.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#26

Post by giancarlostoro » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:58 AM UTC

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

Honestly I could see that happening to me. Some cars have lights that make it hard to see clearly on my side of the road. I wish car windshields could shield your eyes from lights too bright or something. Especially now that cars have these bright LED lights depending on the angle they are as bad as high beams when they pierce your eyes.

I kinda hate driving at night. People can barely keep from getting into accidents in broad daylight imagine at night time.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#27

Post by jakear » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 4:59 AM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #20

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

After reading the whole translation linked in the GitHub issue, and being a father of 6 kids who love to make me practice being a judge every day as if I have nothing better to do, I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable. Even in our tiny library parking lot, I very often see people driving unreasonably fast between all the parked cars and the library door, often within a foot of the cars. Even if they are driving w…

The defendant actually admitted guilt, seemingly readily. His argument was not that he did nothing wrong, but instead that the sentence should be adjusted. Instead of the minimum jail time of 1.5 years, he was asking for the maximum suspension of driving privilege time of 3 years. If jail is for criminal activity and suspension of driving privilege is for poor driving practice, I can see his point. Of course it gets blurry when you have criminally poor driving practice.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#28

Post by catalogia » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:01 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #17

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

How much of this is due to the immediate physiological effects of alcohol (e.g. impaired reaction time, etc) and how much of it is chronic depressed alcoholics disregarding their own well-being and possibly committing suicide?

I've walked home drunk from bars more than a few times and I've never experienced any trouble using crosswalks like normal. I'm pretty certain it's much safer than driving home drunk (not that I drive to bars in the first place.)

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#29

Post by anitil » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:02 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #26

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

Honestly I could see that happening to me. Some cars have lights that make it hard to see clearly on my side of the road. I wish car windshields could shield your eyes from lights too bright or something. Especially now that cars have these bright LED lights depending on the angle they are as bad as high beams when they pierce your eyes. I kinda hate driving at night. People can barely keep from getting into accident…

Often those LED lights aren't angled correctly (at least here in Australia), on the highway in a non-SUV I sometimes get temporarily blinded by oncoming and following traffic at night on the highway

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#30

Post by jnbiche » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:03 AM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #20

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

After reading the whole translation linked in the GitHub issue, and being a father of 6 kids who love to make me practice being a judge every day as if I have nothing better to do, I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable. Even in our tiny library parking lot, I very often see people driving unreasonably fast between all the parked cars and the library door, often within a foot of the cars. Even if they are driving w…

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings.

So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his life? And/or leave him with TB and/or Covid-19? (and here I note that American prisons are not much better, if at all).