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Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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I hate those god-awful AirBlade dryers. I have long fingers and it is almost impossible to dry my hands without that disgusting pool of water flicking up onto the tips of my fingers. Curl your fingers you say? Not possible due to how narrow the gap is without almost always making contact with the sides of the unit. Terrible machines.

Totally agreed. Can't get my hands in and out of them without brushing the sides. It's not easy to take something terrible (a hand dryer) and make it worse. Since this pandemic, I've just stopped using them altogether.

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Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

When you need more than the existing manufacturers can produce, and the alternative (Italy) is to let them die in a hallway, then you might be willing to try anything. If it was my life I’d prefer the Dyson over nothing.

So take the design from one existing company and ramp the manufacture. The alternative isn't sit down with a blank sheet of paper and some pencils and see what you can knock out in a couple of weeks and shove into people without going through the appropriate testing and certification procedures.

The problem isn't a lack of ventilator designs.

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When you need more than the existing manufacturers can produce, and the alternative (Italy) is to let them die in a hallway, then you might be willing to try anything. If it was my life I’d prefer the Dyson over nothing.

Yes. This. Incredibly desperate times here.

If it's that desperate force companies to make them. Don't pin your hopes and dreams on a fantasy that you can build a large-scale medical device in two weeks.

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The child rescue submarine was not used for the rescue, but it wasn't a bad thing that it could have served as a backup plan. Elon Musk's comments were unforgivable, though.

The descriptions I've read of the cave suggest that it wouldn't have worked as a backup anyway- a human can wriggle or be pulled through, but a pod large enough to hold a human would be too big and inflexible. It would have snagged on something, and then what?

> ...and then what?

Send in more and more subs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5JiPj9c98Y

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This doesn't even pass the sniff test. If Dyson can produce an 80% effective version they obviously should.

No, they shouldn't because an 80% effective ventilator might kill someone when a company that knows how to make ventilators could just produce a 100% effective one.

This is the problem with treating everyone like a child. If I am dying of corona, and there are no more ventilators, I would like to be offered one that Dyson made out of cardboard, sticky tape, string, and wood glue so I can decide for myself if I want it.

The potential risks of a medical device need to be weighed against the risks of not having it. Safety testing is less important when treating dying patients who have no other options.

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This doesn't even pass the sniff test. If Dyson can produce an 80% effective version they obviously should.

No, they shouldn't because an 80% effective ventilator might kill someone when a company that knows how to make ventilators could just produce a 100% effective one.

And if they can't make enough, waiting for a ventilator that never comes will 100% kill someone

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> Dyson said it had been working with The Technology Partnership, a medical company based in Cambridge, to develop a "meaningful and timely response". Maybe a new design can be built faster if it’s from the ground up. This can happen concurrently with ramping up existing manufacturing of vents.

Reinvent the ventilator and have one sitting in a hospital in 14 days with no teething issues on production, training, deployment, maintenance?

The original ventilator was very janky. It did work!

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So essentially a CPAP machine.

CPAPs i believe have been ruled out as they vent exhalations indiscriminately, spreading the virus throughout the space.

Not in the health field, but the rapid innovation on the front lines is breathtaking. There are groups of doctors, nurses, and pharmacists communicating on Twitter solving these problems in real time. It's really inspiring!

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No, they shouldn't because an 80% effective ventilator might kill someone when a company that knows how to make ventilators could just produce a 100% effective one.

This is the problem with treating everyone like a child. If I am dying of corona, and there are no more ventilators, I would like to be offered one that Dyson made out of cardboard, sticky tape, string, and wood glue so I can decide for myself if I want it. The potential risks of a medical device need to be weighed against the risks of not having it. Safety testing is less important when treating dying patients who h…

That may be the least coherent plan I've ever heard. If I offered you a leaf blower taped to a sack, that would absolutely make the situation worse. If you need a ventilator you're not in a position to make decisions because you need a ventilator. Come on, this is a fantasy and I think you know that.

If you're lying there, gasping for air, that's not the time for the nurse to wander by and ask if you liked the Dyson BlowMaster 8000 or the Siemens 300A Servo Ventilator, and to explain to you the pros and cons.

What you need is a proper, certified ventilator you can get by ramping production of existing ventilators, not starting over with some bits of sticky tape and string. You can force companies, in an emergency to produce them [1]. That's the only sane plan in an actual emergency.

Let's briefly break down the "treat like a child" bit. A child is someone who's not capable of making decisions. Neither is someone who needs a ventilator.

> Safety testing is less important when treating dying patients who have no other options.

Safety testing is more important because sometimes applying a useless device will do more harm than doing literally nothing. Something is not always better than nothing. How else can we, to your point, weigh the risks of having it vs not having it if we don't evaluate them?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950

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Anyone seen any info on the Dyson AirBlades used for hand-drying in public restrooms? They are very effective at drying , but flick a lot of water up and onto the unit. I guess if everyone has properly washed their hands the WHO way, the rinse water should be safe, but I'm still wondering whether you are risking getting virus from the previous possibly infected person who also doesn't know the words to Happy Birthday…

I hate those god-awful AirBlade dryers. I have long fingers and it is almost impossible to dry my hands without that disgusting pool of water flicking up onto the tips of my fingers. Curl your fingers you say? Not possible due to how narrow the gap is without almost always making contact with the sides of the unit. Terrible machines.

The world is designed for short people with short parts. Fingers are not the only problem.
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