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Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by cbhl »

arcticbull wrote: post #14

> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

I was under the impression that the NHS had been sourcing ventilators from a French manufacturer, but France decided to nationalize that manufacturer and stop exports.

Although I do wonder how much of a home-built solution will be "designed" versus, say "jury-rigged".

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Post by freepor »

arcticbull wrote: post #14

> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

When you need more than the existing manufacturers can produce, and the alternative (Italy) is to let them die in a hallway, then you might be willing to try anything. If it was my life I’d prefer the Dyson over nothing.

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ficklepickle wrote: post #20
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-... Although, I imagine the liberal application of far-UVC lighting for free air antiseptic purposes in the loo might mitigate the issue to an extent.

Only when it is unoccupied I hope! https://www.self.com/story/people-who-attended-this-sexy-neo...

Far UVC light (207–222 nm) deactivates pathogens without damage to skin and eye cells.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by flir »

satysin wrote: post #7
martyvis wrote: post #5

Anyone seen any info on the Dyson AirBlades used for hand-drying in public restrooms? They are very effective at drying , but flick a lot of water up and onto the unit. I guess if everyone has properly washed their hands the WHO way, the rinse water should be safe, but I'm still wondering whether you are risking getting virus from the previous possibly infected person who also doesn't know the words to Happy Birthday…

I hate those god-awful AirBlade dryers. I have long fingers and it is almost impossible to dry my hands without that disgusting pool of water flicking up onto the tips of my fingers. Curl your fingers you say? Not possible due to how narrow the gap is without almost always making contact with the sides of the unit. Terrible machines.

Totally agreed. Can't get my hands in and out of them without brushing the sides. It's not easy to take something terrible (a hand dryer) and make it worse.

Since this pandemic, I've just stopped using them altogether.

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by travisporter »

arcticbull wrote: post #14

> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

> Dyson said it had been working with The Technology Partnership, a medical company based in Cambridge, to develop a "meaningful and timely response".

Maybe a new design can be built faster if it’s from the ground up. This can happen concurrently with ramping up existing manufacturing of vents.

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by et-al »

martyvis wrote: post #5

Anyone seen any info on the Dyson AirBlades used for hand-drying in public restrooms? They are very effective at drying , but flick a lot of water up and onto the unit. I guess if everyone has properly washed their hands the WHO way, the rinse water should be safe, but I'm still wondering whether you are risking getting virus from the previous possibly infected person who also doesn't know the words to Happy Birthday…

Dyson makes a $1500 integrated faucet that incorporates a hand-dryer.

https://www.dyson.com/hand-dryers/dyson-airblade-wash-dry-ov...

Somehow none of the geniuses in the design world have criticised that the 331mph Air Blade dryer, when pointed at a concave surface, i.e. the sink, would spit things right back in the opposite direction.

I've used this faucet/dryer while transiting through Reykjavik and you can see the remaining soap lather blown from the sink drain up over the counter and onto my shirt (and everywhere else).

It's an expensively flawed idea.

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by nodesocket »

I heard on a major news outlet, "...why are private companies such as Tesla and Elon Musk able to provide ventilators faster than the US government?"

This should be obvious, private companies don't have red-tape, private companies for the most part have better talent, and private companies work at a much higher throughput and level of efficiency. I've stated all along the solutions to this crisis are going to come from US companies for the most part, not from government (excluding capital stimulus). For this reason, we should all be supporting a fiscal package that stimulates business and corporations to get out of this.

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Post by dheera »

arcticbull wrote: post #14

> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

The child rescue submarine was not used for the rescue, but it wasn't a bad thing that it could have served as a backup plan.

Elon Musk's comments were unforgivable, though.

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by flatiron »

travisporter wrote: post #25
arcticbull wrote: post #14

> Some industry insiders have suggested that Dyson's approach to create a new model will take too long. You don't say. You can't just turn a vacuum cleaner into a ventilator by setting it to Blow instead of Suck. Medical devices take a very long time to develop, certify, build, release and develop training for because they're medical devices . The rule of thumb for consumer-grade hardware is it takes a minimum of one…

> Dyson said it had been working with The Technology Partnership, a medical company based in Cambridge, to develop a "meaningful and timely response". Maybe a new design can be built faster if it’s from the ground up. This can happen concurrently with ramping up existing manufacturing of vents.

Reinvent the ventilator and have one sitting in a hospital in 14 days with no teething issues on production, training, deployment, maintenance?

Re: Dyson has announced it will develop a new type of medical ventilator for NHS

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Post by olivermarks »

Unfortunately I think Dyson is a blowhard (sorry about pun) and self promoter. This hack of a Decathlon Scuba mask is the sort of thing these manufacturers should be presenting to the world rather than their endless brand promotion. https://www.isinnova.it/easy-covid19-eng/
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