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Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by jeromegv »

asquabventured wrote: post #126
aazaa wrote: post #121

The damage will be much longer lasting than this. The Chinese bought the US precious weeks to prepare while it locked down vast numbers of its own population. The disaster could have been prevented through a vigorous testing/quarrantine program in Washington and California. At every step of the way the US either bungled testing, or actively discouraged testing. It's been nothing but lies and mistakes from the start.…

I don't understand this mentality when other Western Nations are going through the exact same thing. Did the administration cause every other countries problems with containing the virus too?

Based on the current growth of cases, it looks like the situation in the US will be way worse than other western nations. Even when you adjust for population size.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by bavell »

mikeyouse wrote: post #86
throwaway122378 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On 1/24/20 the WHO said there’s no human to human transmission of covid-19 https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20 They are to blame as much as anyone else

WHO isn't faultless, but that's a fairly misrepresentative version of what that Tweet actually says.. "WHO said there's no human to human transmission" vs. > Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.

Agreed. They surely share in the blame but then again, it's not as if China is our ally who we can count on to give accurate and timely information. They (and others) would love nothing more than to see the US crumble and burn. So I understand some of the WHO (and CDC) skepticism in the early days. Not that I'm defending their later actions (or lack thereof).

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by omgJustTest »

aazaa wrote: post #121

The damage will be much longer lasting than this. The Chinese bought the US precious weeks to prepare while it locked down vast numbers of its own population. The disaster could have been prevented through a vigorous testing/quarrantine program in Washington and California. At every step of the way the US either bungled testing, or actively discouraged testing. It's been nothing but lies and mistakes from the start.…

The US government is only partially to blame here.

Goldman Sachs apparently donated over 100k N95 masks to New York last week.

As a personal critic, I did see some of this coming in my own finances and did divest. I should have done more to be outspoken about this risk, but I am daily surprised by how unprepared we were and how few people are speaking out in ways that matter.

Kudos to Cuomo.

EDIT: I do think the article is correct in the analysis that this _should_ be months of impact. This is likely from just considering the health impact, and not the correlated factors that 1. the stock market was damn high (inflated by stock by-backs) 2. there is currently a mess being made in federal reserve intervention in the pre-crash quantative easing measures, and the current precedents with 'unlimited liquidity' promised. 3. a lot of people are going to lose their jobs 4. a lot of people will lose their healthcare 5. soon to be bailed out corporations (ie Boeing) have flat rejected equity stake in the company, saying that they will seek private funding before they take a bail-out of that kind

An interesting observation on (1), if companies had taken Trump tax breaks and invested in their businesses or kept that cash, they would likely have reduced their bail-out burden substantially. Boeing voluntarily committed to 2bn$ in dividends before the crash. They have not revoked that as of yet.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by notJim »

jeromegv wrote: post #151
asquabventured wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this mentality when other Western Nations are going through the exact same thing. Did the administration cause every other countries problems with containing the virus too?

Based on the current growth of cases, it looks like the situation in the US will be way worse than other western nations. Even when you adjust for population size.

Is this true? I thought the hot spots in the US locked down earlier (in terms of case counts/deaths) than other countries. But I haven't looked into it very much.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by justforyou »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #149
justforyou wrote: post #132

Admittedly, America dropped the ball, tripped over it, and broke it's nose. However, lets not forget that the WHO was also wildly irreaponsible by not declaring this a pandemic sooner.

How have they been "wildly irresponsible"? Placing a label on the whole crisis is a rather symbolic act. Important was and is to spread the available knowledge, tests, and know-how.

Symbolic acts such as the labeling in question are how many laypersons interpret. and react to the severity of a crisis.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by H8crilA »

kiba wrote: post #106
omgJustTest wrote: post #61

This article does not mention the WHO offered tests to the US before the CDC decided it should make its own[1]. This alone should have been enough to bring impeachment charges against public officials, for criminal neglect. If the WHO had proven these in China, and you have no other alternative, it make sense to do both 1. buy tests you know are in active use and 2. make your own tests if needed. Someone at the CDC m…

Can we stop threatening criminal negligence charge for every single mistakes people make? It's not going to improve performance in the next pandemic if people are afraid of doing their job or engages in ass covering.

Uhm, yes, skin in the game?

Things generally don't improve because people get better. Things generally improve because bad people/groups/corporations/ideas fail.

Way more people should be fired / tried / impeached. Need I remind you that nobody went to jail over 2008? It does make the system more healthy. If you're responsible for the health of some country you better be scared, because the consequences are dire, and your decisions are of utmost importance. I want that person to be on constant lookout for problems, bordering on desperation.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by [deleted] »

asquabventured wrote: post #126
aazaa wrote: post #121

The damage will be much longer lasting than this. The Chinese bought the US precious weeks to prepare while it locked down vast numbers of its own population. The disaster could have been prevented through a vigorous testing/quarrantine program in Washington and California. At every step of the way the US either bungled testing, or actively discouraged testing. It's been nothing but lies and mistakes from the start.…

I don't understand this mentality when other Western Nations are going through the exact same thing. Did the administration cause every other countries problems with containing the virus too?

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Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by knzhou »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #117
eyegor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing based on the other reply that you corrected the date. But how does WHO repeating a statement from Chinese authorities (attributed in the tweet) have anything to do with the WHO's credibility?

Nothing. "The WHO has lost all credibility" is a line that was parroted in every troll comment in February and early March; I guess this one hasn't yet gotten the memo, or maybe it's a bystander that's bought into it.

It's amusing how some people are reacting on a one-month or even two-month delay. I still see people saying that there's a new disease being covered up in Wuhan, or that we need to shut down travel from China, as if they were in a coma from mid-January all the way to late March. The actual situation changes faster than people's narratives of it.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by chasd00 »

MikeAmelung wrote: post #25
acqq wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no country has tested 1 million people Well, the country prepared for epidemics just didn't have to test one million people, but still kept it under control: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-south-korea-flattened... They were indeed able to use their tests more efficiently than any other country, and to really do a lot of tests compared to any other country: https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=a304020000…

Yes, they appear to have done a phenomenal job. Hopefully the rest of the world can learn from some of the things they've done.

that's the important thing, take what worked, learn from it, and don't make the same mistakes again.

Re: CDC coronavirus testing decision likely to haunt nation for months to come

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Post by sd8f9iu »

asquabventured wrote: post #126
aazaa wrote: post #121

The damage will be much longer lasting than this. The Chinese bought the US precious weeks to prepare while it locked down vast numbers of its own population. The disaster could have been prevented through a vigorous testing/quarrantine program in Washington and California. At every step of the way the US either bungled testing, or actively discouraged testing. It's been nothing but lies and mistakes from the start.…

I don't understand this mentality when other Western Nations are going through the exact same thing. Did the administration cause every other countries problems with containing the virus too?

The US has been far behind other Western countries in testing: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronaviru...

The per-capita chart is most notable. Other Western countries' responses haven't been stellar either, but the US's is particularly flawed.

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