While I like the concept, doesn't the fact that the site isn't using https defeat the purpose?
Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
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Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Singapore model encrypts it until someone is diagnosed. So the leak is of the thing you would tell a contact tracer anyway..
And who holds the encryption key?
The user does, they're expected to decrypt for the ministry of health upon receiving a diagnosis.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> With that assumed, it's someone choosing to sacrifice other people's lives for their political values. No, not just other peoples - that includes my own life too. The freedoms enshrined upon us by the constitution are not negotiable. "shall make no law" admits no exception. > we have to choose priorities I chose mine.
> No, not just other peoples - that includes my own life too. Yes, I agree, your own life is important too. If you're not familiar with "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose", it refers to when your exercise of your personal freedom deprives another person of their personal freedom. > The freedoms enshrined upon us by the constitution are not negotiable And yet here you are, advocating depriving people of th…
You do not have to persuade me to comply voluntarily. I already did.
I left NY for business 2 weeks ago. About 10 days ago, I started having faint symptoms. I was ready to go home. So I decided to start wearing a mask, and instead to drive straight to the secondary residence in the countryside as it is isolated. Due to the presence of elder relatives, I stayed in a nearby hotel room for 7 days - not even going out while I could have.
I had no laws forcing me to do that. But freedom does not mean people have no respect for other people's lives.
It may produce the same result, but there is a difference between forcing someone and letting them do the right thing by providing them truthful information. And freedom works both ways: that's also why I believe even sick people should not be forced to stay home just to protect me.
This is how in the US we often achieve better results than in other countries: more freedom!
The rise of authoritarianism for one small health crisis worries me just as much as it did on 9/11 for one minor attack. We reacted totally out of proportion, and let our feeling go in the way of reason. We permanently lost some freedoms, and ransacked the middle east (and we are still involved there almost 20 years later)
People die, it's a sad fact of life, and not a valuable reason to outweigh anyone inalienable right to life, liberty and dignity.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
The impact of global warming is estimated at 150,000 fatalities[1] per year currently, which so far is significantly more than the epidemic. Do you think that automobile drivers should be treated as "attempted mass murderers"? It is even the same people telling us about that and coronavirus - the WHO. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-warming-an...
This is a false equivalence and you and everyone else who keeps making it know it. It makes zero sense to say that the current number of deaths is less than deaths from climate change or cars because those deaths aren't (at the moment) rapidly increasing exponentially. Do you think the deaths will just magically stop? What people apparently forget is that mortality rates jump (for everything) when your healthcare sys…
It's equivalent in a very limited, specific sense in that anyone who literally regards people as mass murderers for contributing a tiny amount to the problem is psychotic, in my opinion. Of course, everyone in this thread is just trying to be edgy, I'm 99% certain.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The impact of global warming is estimated at 150,000 fatalities[1] per year currently, which so far is significantly more than the epidemic. Do you think that automobile drivers should be treated as "attempted mass murderers"? It is even the same people telling us about that and coronavirus - the WHO. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-warming-an...
> 150,000 fatalities Which COVID-19 will reach quite soon now. Infecting someone through stupidity or ill will is closer to putting poison in their food than to driving a car.
Whether the number is more or less is irrelevant. The point is that people contribute a small increment in probability to a collective problem that is significant, and treating it as a personal issue is wrong.
Being concerned about the collective risk should make you less concerned about your personal risk, otherwise you aren't really collectively oriented.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 150,000 fatalities Which COVID-19 will reach quite soon now. Infecting someone through stupidity or ill will is closer to putting poison in their food than to driving a car.
Whether the number is more or less is irrelevant. The point is that people contribute a small increment in probability to a collective problem that is significant, and treating it as a personal issue is wrong. Being concerned about the collective risk should make you less concerned about your personal risk, otherwise you aren't really collectively oriented.
It's not a small increment in probability. If you're a carrier and start going around meeting people, you're directly causing a huge increment in probability of them being infected - and then recursively smaller increments in people downstream.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#87I had been a staunch advocate of not sharing any personal information wherever possible, but recently I've been thinking whether I've approached the whole privacy issue from a wrong angle. Maybe there isn't anything wrong with sharing our data and information for the public good. After all, we almost view it self-evident that transparency is good for communities at large. The real issue is that most of the parties wh…
The problem is that you can't take the data back when good organizations turn bad. Maybe you trusted the US government in 1940 when you took the census, but in 1942 they showed up at your door to take you away if you had listed yourself as Japanese. If you lived in the Netherlands in the 1930s, you may have had a great deal of trust in your government. They collected extensive population data and did a lot of good wi…
Making provision in the application, to take back the data - will go long way.
Re: Private Kit: Can we slow the spread without giving up individual privacy?
#88Tried to consolidate the list... (Orig: https://github.com/devrimdemiroz/contactTracing#singapore)
Singapore tracetogether https://www.tracetogether.gov.sg/ Opensource: Announced to be opensource but when? Related news: https://str.sg/Jfup Almost the most pouplar, 735K users Bluetooth based, no location information collected. As stated in their official site “The app doesn't identify “where” the exposure to COVID-19 cases may have occurred. It only seeks to establish “who” else might have been exposed to the virus.”
Israel Hamagen (The Shield) https://govextra.gov.il/ministry-of-health/hamagen-app/downl... Opensource: https://github.com/MohGovIL/hamagen-react-native Israel's Ministry of Health's COVID-19 Exposure Prevention App Architecture: https://proferopublic.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/5f72cff6-0f...
USA safepaths http://safepaths.mit.edu/ Opensource: https://github.com/tripleblindmarket/ Based on Private Kit by MIT, core code is ready but still in early stages React-native based Android and IOS clients Location and bluetooth based covid-watch https://www.covid-watch.org/collaborate.html Notihng developed so far, in organization/establishment phase
Italy diAry https://covid19app.uniurb.it/ Opensource: Announced to be opensource by April'20 Additional feature worth to mention is reward system
Germany geoHealthApp https://www.geohealthapp.de/ Opensource: NO
Czech Smart quarantine https://medium.com/@pabu01/covid19cz-update-bb7e12e71d9e Opensource: NO Based on Telco data
Turkey coronapp -https://coronapp.tech/
Opensource: NO Guvendekal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3TFkT4Zmgg Mentioned in above link, yet to be developed coronawarner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3TFkT4Zmgg Mentioned in above link, yet to be developed
China Alipay WeChat
Korea Corona 100m (Co100)
Taiwan