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The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Emergency powers should override that.

Can't wait until the next financial meltdown (no, not this one) and worker rights are rolled back because it's an "emergency".

What's happening now isn't just a financial crisis.

There's a very obvious and very real additional factor at play here.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Taiwan, which has one of the best medical systems in the world, is heavily reliant on civil society -- which is many things, but one of which is heavy participation by unpaid volunteers. Social capital is a real thing and a valuable thing.

One of the problems the UK has is that "The Big Society" was used as a political punchline for the best part of the last decade.

Similar to the problem in the US, where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized). Now, look at it, when we need it.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Aka: people who already have money provide the best free services.

I would recommend volunteering even to people who aren't wealthy. It has to do with what you said, most people who volunteer are doing so because they have the money to do it instead of work at that moment. So, volunteering potentially puts you around wealthy people who may provide opportunities to you in the future. Not always the case of course, but I would still be pretty broke if it weren't for some job opportuni…

There's an additional reason to volunteer if you can:

Volunteering can be good for your mental health, see https://duckduckgo.com/?q=volunteering+improves+mental+healt...

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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This is misinformation, immunity works like it does for everything else. The virus is new to us, not magic.

Viruses can mutate, changing their protein coating so as not to be recognized by your immune system. Why do you think the common cold has not gone away, or why new flu shots are needed every season? We simply do not know what this virus will do. The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 came in waves, and they were different.

Immunity to coronaviruses does tend to fall within a year or so, but this is believed due to immune memory rather than viral mutation (coronaviruses have a modest mutation rate). This is a different mechanism than influenza. Subsequent reinfections are believed to be mild. A vaccine would provoke a longer immune memory by way of an adjuvant. Discussion of this in the TWIV podcast: http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-591/

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Wouldn’t it be more appropriate just to hire people and set them to work in the NHS? It’s way past time the government stopped messing around and just hired all the spare labour - which can then be directed to assist the NHS or directed to stay at home as required. When there are so many people without work that want it we need to stop QE’ing Gilts and start QE’ing workers hours instead. All this could be done with a…

What will they spend it on? They can't go out, can't spend it on anything but essentials and some percentage of those essentials are difficult to get anyway.

Rent?

The government has not declared a rent holiday ..

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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At the time of me writing this comment, yours is light grey (due to downvotes I presume - is there any other possible cause?). A statement that includes explicit acknowledgement of uncertainty should not be downvoted (unless there is another reason contained within), full stop. If this was /r/politics, fine, but it isn't. This is causing harm to society that we have very little means of seeing (at least not without a…

In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers. For instance, say, "I fully acknowledge that this is just bunk told in jest to small children, but perhaps the Moon could really be made of Roquefort cheese." is not a HN-worthy comment.

> In HN, insubstantial comments are downvoted, irrespective of politeness or reasonable disclaimers.

That is undoubtedly true. It may even be consistent with official site guidelines (which I don't think make any claim to be perfect - "perfect is the opposite of good" as they say).

Might this also be true: "In HN, comments are sometimes downvoted, irrespective of whether the comment is insubstantial, off-topic, or incorrect. The reasons behind this are incredibly complex."

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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These burdens are put in place to prevent employer (as in superiors, not the folks you serve) abuse. They would abuse government servants here and there if it were easily replaced.

You mean like instead of abusing them by asking them to volunteer?

How are you abused if I give you an option to volunteer?

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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The pre-existence of a volunteer (or other flavors) culture in a society may also contribute to superior widespread compliance with the various directives issues by governments. Asian countries seemed to have reacted better in this case - undoubtedly a major chunk of that was due to prior outbreaks in that region, but is that the only variable that contributed to the outcome?

I don’t believe anyone here has claimed there is only one variable that explains any countries better or worse ability with regard to this pandemic, or anything for that matter. Edit to add: okay, so a sibling comment claims the reason is a Confucian , culture. But that’s narrow, everything is always multi-factorial. It’s good to see and discuss one aspect, but not at the expense of other considerations.

> I don’t believe anyone here has claimed there is only one variable that explains any countries better or worse ability with regard to this pandemic, or anything for that matter.

I don't believe I said "anyone here has claimed there is only one variable that explains any countries better or worse ability with regard to this pandemic."

I propose that something very interesting is going on here, at the object level. I also propose, more speculatively and provocatively, that something very interesting is also happening at the meta-level: a reluctance to discuss the phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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There are antibody tests. The UK just ordered 3.5 million of them https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/uk-buys-3500000-antibody-test...

Right, but they’re not available yet.

They are, there are dozens of suppliers. I don't know how quickly we will get all the 3.5m tests but in smaller quantities they are available now

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Taiwan, which has one of the best medical systems in the world, is heavily reliant on civil society -- which is many things, but one of which is heavy participation by unpaid volunteers. Social capital is a real thing and a valuable thing.

One of the problems the UK has is that "The Big Society" was used as a political punchline for the best part of the last decade.

I think you mean since Thatcher.
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