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Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by genezeta »

alfonsodev wrote: post #20
genezeta wrote: post #17

Some additional details from other local sources. Details are scarce, so... sorry, but I think I can add a couple of things to the linked article. The UME (Military Emergency Unit) has been disinfecting retirement homes for some days now (about a week IIRC). Initially they were only allowed to do this, disinfestation, and it was the homes' responsibility to "ask for help" on anything else when needed, and some didn't…

Funeral services rejected to get bodies with covid-19 because the lack of materials to deal with it properly, and therefore it would be irresponsable. Not saying they might not be overwhelmed as well.

Yes, you're right. I forgot that part.

There's both things: They do not have enough space and they do not have protective gear to deal with the bodies correctly. I updated my comment. Thanks.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by krapp »

mPReDiToR wrote: post #7
PopeDotNinja wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe delete your comment? You aren't doing yourself any favors by saying that kind of stuff.

Are we supposed to only say popular stuff? All ideas are worth discusding, even if only to explain why they are not going to be implemented.

>All ideas are worth discussing, even if only to explain why they are not going to be implemented.

The aforementioned idea has been given the discussion it deserves, and has been rejected by the community as not providing anything of intellectual merit worth the effort of discussing further.

Not all ideas are worth discussing at length or of being taken seriously. If what you want is a "free market" of discussion (which Hacker News isn't, anyway) then you should accept that the community will value some ideas more than others.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by gindely »

x__x wrote: post #10
mPReDiToR wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we supposed to only say popular stuff? All ideas are worth discusding, even if only to explain why they are not going to be implemented.

"Are we supposed to only say popular stuff?" I've noticed a lot of censorship on this site

Governments censor. I really wish I could read the "flagged" posts sometimes but the rules are the rules.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by yomly »

alfonsodev wrote: post #20
genezeta wrote: post #17

Some additional details from other local sources. Details are scarce, so... sorry, but I think I can add a couple of things to the linked article. The UME (Military Emergency Unit) has been disinfecting retirement homes for some days now (about a week IIRC). Initially they were only allowed to do this, disinfestation, and it was the homes' responsibility to "ask for help" on anything else when needed, and some didn't…

Funeral services rejected to get bodies with covid-19 because the lack of materials to deal with it properly, and therefore it would be irresponsable. Not saying they might not be overwhelmed as well.

A friend working in the hospitals in Paris intimated that the morgues are full and portable freezers are now being used to store all the dead...

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by alfonsodev »

mrleiter wrote: post #15

That is just utterly sad and reprehensible. I cannot find better words. They are stuck in my throat.

This is how lack of planning and saturation looks like, workers in those houses might have been positive of SARS-CoV-2 and put in quarantine at their homes, in some places volunteers are helping to cover those positions, we don't have all the information of every house, it is a drama, I want to think and attribute it to incompetence rather than evil. Other countries should learn from this and don't let the system saturate, It is sad, and unthinkable in the 21st century, I think that's why most countries will be caught by surprise, they might think this won't happen to them.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by curiousigor »

genezeta wrote: post #17

Some additional details from other local sources. Details are scarce, so... sorry, but I think I can add a couple of things to the linked article. The UME (Military Emergency Unit) has been disinfecting retirement homes for some days now (about a week IIRC). Initially they were only allowed to do this, disinfestation, and it was the homes' responsibility to "ask for help" on anything else when needed, and some didn't…

Are the funeral services keeping the bodies on ice because they want them buried or because they're waiting for them to be cremated? In this situation, where bodies are piling up, I'd understand the latter, but not the first. Then again (pardon my ignorance), I'm not from Spain so no idea what what the cultural thing in regards to funerals there is...

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by krapp »

gindely wrote: post #23
x__x wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are we supposed to only say popular stuff?" I've noticed a lot of censorship on this site

Governments censor. I really wish I could read the "flagged" posts sometimes but the rules are the rules.

Everyone censors.

A community is defined by a common set of values and cultural norms, which are a means of censoring those of outgroups in order to maintain a cohesive identity. People censor themselves constantly in order to stay within the boundaries of the law and the norms of public decency.

An online community which has a specific purpose by definition censors content which falls outside that purpose. Hell, the fact that we can't post illegal content is, itself, a form of censorship.

Not everything is, or should be, /b/. Although that site censors as well.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by genezeta »

curiousigor wrote: post #26
genezeta wrote: post #17

Some additional details from other local sources. Details are scarce, so... sorry, but I think I can add a couple of things to the linked article. The UME (Military Emergency Unit) has been disinfecting retirement homes for some days now (about a week IIRC). Initially they were only allowed to do this, disinfestation, and it was the homes' responsibility to "ask for help" on anything else when needed, and some didn't…

Are the funeral services keeping the bodies on ice because they want them buried or because they're waiting for them to be cremated? In this situation, where bodies are piling up, I'd understand the latter, but not the first. Then again (pardon my ignorance), I'm not from Spain so no idea what what the cultural thing in regards to funerals there is...

Yes, it's just temporary storage while they wait to be cremated.

Culturally I guess most people are buried, not cremated, and usually this takes two, three days or so. I do not really know how common is cremation in general, but I'd guess it's not the most common option -in normal circumstances-.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by Intermernet »

gindely wrote: post #23
x__x wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are we supposed to only say popular stuff?" I've noticed a lot of censorship on this site

Governments censor. I really wish I could read the "flagged" posts sometimes but the rules are the rules.

You can usually read them. Click on the timestamp. You may need "showdead" enabled as well, but I'm not sure.

Re: Spanish soldiers find bodies in Madrid retirement homes

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Post by curiousigor »

genezeta wrote: post #28
curiousigor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the funeral services keeping the bodies on ice because they want them buried or because they're waiting for them to be cremated? In this situation, where bodies are piling up, I'd understand the latter, but not the first. Then again (pardon my ignorance), I'm not from Spain so no idea what what the cultural thing in regards to funerals there is...

Yes, it's just temporary storage while they wait to be cremated. Culturally I guess most people are buried, not cremated, and usually this takes two, three days or so. I do not really know how common is cremation in general, but I'd guess it's not the most common option -in normal circumstances-.

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply :)
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