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This is the second link from HN I've opened today like this.
Individual privacy is where I draw a line in the sand. I'm ready to do many things, but that does not include allowing geotracking, geofencing or any other restriction on the freedom of movement and freedom of assembly. The government can shut businesses, shut public parks and beaches, but what we do in our homes, clubs and other private properties is off limits.
> any other restriction on the freedom of movement and freedom of assembly People abusing these freedoms in spite of lockdowns are what's going to kill hundreds of thousands of people in the coming days.
Singapore's doing contact tracing without any location data, and with contact between devices encrypted until needed for a contact disclosure. Seems like a better approach to me: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/singapore-g...
Bluetooth seems like a better solution, and the Singapore one does it in a privacy-preserving way while storing all data on the phone. Only when a user is infected, then are they asked to upload data.
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> With that assumed, it's someone choosing to sacrifice other people's lives for their political values. No, not just other peoples - that includes my own life too. The freedoms enshrined upon us by the constitution are not negotiable. "shall make no law" admits no exception. > we have to choose priorities I chose mine.
> No, not just other peoples - that includes my own life too. Glad you don’t get to make that decision on behalf of other people, and those actions are at least illegal in California. I also think it’s nonsense to imply you are putting yourself at any real risk, if you were immunocompromised or elderly you wouldn’t have such a callous attitude.
Time will tell if California had the right to treat the constitution just like toilet paper.
I know TP in short supply there at the moment, but the end doesn't justify the means. That's what constitutions are for.
Singapore's doing contact tracing without any location data, and with contact between devices encrypted until needed for a contact disclosure. Seems like a better approach to me: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/singapore-g...
Singapore's doing contact tracing without any location data, and with contact between devices encrypted until needed for a contact disclosure. Seems like a better approach to me: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/singapore-g...
Using Bluetooth to detect potential contact + plus GPS seem like a good way to cover a lot of ground. Anyways I feel like the bigger issue is the huge honeypot problem. I think it's easier to assume data like this is bound to leak -- so what can we do to make it useless besides for its intended purpose? I mean it doesn't have to protect against like a state backed program to track an individual -- but it should prote…
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Mandatory or optional? Will the government force me to upload if I am positive? Or can I choose not to?
What do you think is the ethical option? If you are positive shouldn't the people in contact with you know it? I'm genuinely asking, it's not a rethorical question. I think they should know they have been exposed to the virus at least, not necessarily knowing it was you. You already have lost some rights of movement and assembly. Losing some privacy may help you regain them sooner.
not sure which side of the fence I actually stand here, but this would add at least 4th/5th amendment in US context to the list
Sadly, I do not see Private Kit reaching anywhere close to the critical mass required for it to be fully effective, unless all Americans are required to use it per a new federal mandate, which I cannot see becoming a reality given the incompetency clearly exhibited by one or more of our "leaders" over the past several days (if not much longer)..
also: who is going to buy everyone smartphones and ensure they are properly registered/configured?
there are many potential ways to reduce the spread, even within an 'authoritarian mandated government' context, without this level of intrusiveness.
Singapore's doing contact tracing without any location data, and with contact between devices encrypted until needed for a contact disclosure. Seems like a better approach to me: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/asia-pacific/singapore-g...
Yeah GPS casts too wide a net (imagine being in New York- everyone in a 80-story office building would be within margin of error of a single GPS point). Bluetooth seems like a better solution, and the Singapore one does it in a privacy-preserving way while storing all data on the phone. Only when a user is infected, then are they asked to upload data. https://tracetogether.gov.sg