Covid-19: the harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures
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Covid-19: the harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures
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#2Common sense needs to prevail over mania, numbers over hyperbole and science over conjecture. But even then, this is hard if our data is collected poorly and then poorly disseminated.
So what is the answer then? Maybe a strengthening of resolve against all forms of panic?
Is there a single event in history has been solved by panic?
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#3Common sense needs to prevail over mania, numbers over hyperbole and science over conjecture. But even then, this is hard if our data is collected poorly and then poorly disseminated. So what is the answer then? Maybe a strengthening of resolve against all forms of panic? Is there a single event in history has been solved by panic?
What we need is more data. What is the % of Covid-19 cases that require hospitalization (and are people actually going to hospitals when they don't need to?) ? Is it 20x that of flu or 2x? We need random testing throughout the population to know true mortality rate and herd immunity.
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#4Common sense needs to prevail over mania, numbers over hyperbole and science over conjecture. But even then, this is hard if our data is collected poorly and then poorly disseminated. So what is the answer then? Maybe a strengthening of resolve against all forms of panic? Is there a single event in history has been solved by panic?
What is panic and why do you think this is a panic? If anything, the lack of concern by policy makers and the public has turned this into a catastrophe. If they had “panicked” three months ago, we wouldn’t be in this situation now.
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#5So.... was this sponsored by the airlines or by the hotels chains?
EDIT: After what happened in Spain and Italy, countries where the initial reaction was "let's not overreact", I don't believe any scientist can speak on those terms without a hidden agenda.
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#6Is this paper basically saying China and Italy's troubles with COVID-19 "ain't no big deal", and that New York and Washington are not struggling?
>"Leaving the well-known and highly lethal SARS and MERS coronaviruses aside, other coronaviruses probably have infected millions of people and have killed thousands"
This is not cited, and seems like potentially exaggerated non-evidence based information.
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#7Common sense needs to prevail over mania, numbers over hyperbole and science over conjecture. But even then, this is hard if our data is collected poorly and then poorly disseminated. So what is the answer then? Maybe a strengthening of resolve against all forms of panic? Is there a single event in history has been solved by panic?
The craziest stat I heard today was on my local news, and it was about COVID19 in the county, Davidson County (Nashville, TN,) they said of all the active cases in the county only 2 had been hospitalized. That's out of 163. The others were sent home to be quarantined and medicated. I was floored. Why are stats like that not shared? That seems like very valuable information. Hospitalization rates should be one of the main stats being shared, imo.
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#8Common sense needs to prevail over mania, numbers over hyperbole and science over conjecture. But even then, this is hard if our data is collected poorly and then poorly disseminated. So what is the answer then? Maybe a strengthening of resolve against all forms of panic? Is there a single event in history has been solved by panic?
Some historians attribute the French Revolution at least partly to a mass hysteria of the idea that aristocrats were planning on starving the populace during a grain shortage. And feudalism was abolished as a result.
Re: Covid-19: the harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures
#9Is this paper basically saying China and Italy's troubles with COVID-19 "ain't no big deal", and that New York and Washington are not struggling? >"Leaving the well-known and highly lethal SARS and MERS coronaviruses aside, other coronaviruses probably have infected millions of people and have killed thousands" This is not cited, and seems like potentially exaggerated non-evidence based information.
There's some research out there on this, and apparently at least some of the human coronaviruses have fairly impressive case fatality rates in older people. Still probably under half of what this one is estimated at, but substantial nonetheless. That's just not newsworthy because it's just a cold.
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#10Context for the author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis
He wrote a column a couple days before this paper. Linking the response as well.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-a...
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/we-know-enough-now-to-ac...