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Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

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Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

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I'm curious... between Whereby and Jitsi and I assume other browser-based video solutions relying on WebRTC...

...how big is the barrier these days to building a "videoconferencing platform" supporting millions of people... that runs on a single server?

Because if you need to do is build a pretty website that essentially just keeps track of meeting names and the names and IP addresses of participants...

...while each client is P2P-streaming their full-res videostream while speaking or other participants have them pinned... and every other client is P2P-streaming a low-res videostream to power the thumbnails (and similar decisions about which computer is the main audio source and when, or picking a single peer to serve as the audio mixer)...

What else is there to do, really?

(I mean obviously there's fancy stuff you can add like screensharing, chat, authentication, etc... and browser-specific bugfixes and quirks presumably...)

But are we at a point where anyone can write a functional videoconferencing platform in a week, and platforms are differentiating mainly on nicer UX and extra features?

Or is there something huge I'm missing here, where implementing WebRTC is somehow a lot harder than it seems, and/or still requires server farms to route the streams through in certain cases?

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

#43
The main reasons for Zooms popularity (and in general the most important features of a videoconferencing software) are accessibility and reliability.

Same as with Slack/IRC - privacy is not the most important features in that space. If I have the choice of a working solution with some minor privacy issues and a solution which will never be adopted b/c half of the people will not be able to join or their experience is miserable, I will gladly take the former (except for the most delicate conversations maybe).

(And I am someone who takes privacy serious in most cases...)

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get a malware/scam vibe from the name, but I'm probably missing something. What makes you think that?

I also think it’s a horrible name, reminds me of “Tootsie” and an equally ugly logo to match. These things are subjective but if enough people hate it, perhaps it’s important to look into it.

I normally complain about terrible open source branding but didn't have a negative reaction to this branding when I saw this post.

Goes to show how important it is to do user research on a broad swath of the population to make sure you have branding that isn't off-putting to a significant subset of people.

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

#46

The home page looks like it was designed by a 20 year old who lives in a world of Javascript package managers. Get someone over 50 in there to kick them and remind them that "Start a new meeting" with things like "LeopardBottomSniffer" appearing under it means nothing to anyone but developers. Here's a better design, in text: - Who are we? This is Jitsi Meet video conferencing - How do I use it? Just type a name for…

> The home page looks like it was designed by a 20 year old who lives in a world of Javascript package managers.

> Get someone over 50 in there to kick them and remind them that "Start a new meeting" with things like "LeopardBottomSniffer" appearing under it means nothing to anyone but developers.

I think this is a little overly ageist but yeah - if you're not familiar with the kind of URLs generated by services like Gfycat then it looks pretty strange, and it's not really clear what's going on (why is it typing these strange words in the box?)

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

#47

I'm curious... between Whereby and Jitsi and I assume other browser-based video solutions relying on WebRTC... ...how big is the barrier these days to building a "videoconferencing platform" supporting millions of people... that runs on a single server? Because if you need to do is build a pretty website that essentially just keeps track of meeting names and the names and IP addresses of participants... ...while each…

It doesn't scale well beyond a handful of people. You need *N bandwidth to send and receive, and without a thing called 'simulcast' (creating multiple, different quality stream simultaneously) which doesn't have good browser support the quality is defined by the lowest common denominator. A central server solves many, many issues that result in better quality.

Jitsi itself barely works on Firefox and not at all on mobile devices (without their app).

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

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This is really nice, but who is paying for all the infrastructure and bandwidth? Are there more details?

There's this text at the bottom of https://jitsi.org/ page: Jitsi is proudly powered by an awesome open source community — and 8×8. 8x8 looks like a commercial product based on Jitsi: https://www.8x8.com/

8x8 is a huge VoIP company. McDonald’s uses them, so when you call McDonald’s, you are calling an 8x8 number.

My firm used to use them. Their tech was rock solid but clunky for our stack so we switched to RingCentral. Quality isn’t as good, and I wonder often if we made a mistake.

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

#49

I've tried Jitsi Meet and found it to be smooth. During a hangout call with a group of ~8 friends I introduced it as an alternative. User experience comparison: Onboarding: Jitsi: Click a URL. No accounts. Hangouts: Google account. Need to individually invite other Google accounts. Video Quality: Jitsi: Decent, slightly better than hangouts. Hangouts: Passable but grainy. Video Layout: Jitsi: Automatically big-screen…

> Hangouts: Google account. Need to individually invite other Google accounts. Hangouts (now Meet) is better geared towards GSuite orgs where you're already logged into Google since you have to be to access almost all of your other internal company/school resources, including gmail. It also solves the contacts problem since everyone will be in the company directory.

> Hangouts (now Meet)

Ah-ha! Google Hangouts Meet is indeed the GSuite video conferencing solution, complemented by Google Hangouts Chat, the GSuite Slack competitor. Google Hangouts is "deprecated" but still alive, and with a plain-old gmail account I don't see an option to use Hangouts Chat nor Hangouts Meet, only Hangouts. As a user in a GSuite org, Chat and Meet exist, and plain-old Hangouts text messages are mirrored in Chat, but the video conferencing is still weirdly separate from Meet.

Re: Jitsi Meet: An open source alternative to Zoom

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think it’s a horrible name, reminds me of “Tootsie” and an equally ugly logo to match. These things are subjective but if enough people hate it, perhaps it’s important to look into it.

I normally complain about terrible open source branding but didn't have a negative reaction to this branding when I saw this post. Goes to show how important it is to do user research on a broad swath of the population to make sure you have branding that isn't off-putting to a significant subset of people.

Definitely. There is also universal agreement in good branding vs bad branding. I’ve been browsing the top branding blog for over 12 years now: https://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/

Still subjective but let’s compare Jitsi brand with something from https://www.cghnyc.com/

There is certainly a huge difference even though it’s not a quantitative measure.

Jitsi brand just sucks so bad. :(

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