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Post by abnry »

triceratops wrote: post #77
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

He said something to the effect of "chloroquine shows promise. The FDA has approved for it to be prescribed." The first statement is debatable (for now), while the second is completely false. (full quote below) Can we agree that it's not great to be giving out incomplete or incorrect information on such a prominent stage? "It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results...Normally the FDA would ta…

Trump is very bad at communicating. However, as I understood what Trump was trying to say is that the drug has already passed clinical tests by the FDA which shows it is not massively risky to take, for any reason, within proper limits. So it is FDA approved, just not for COVID-19 uses. (That is, without adding "for COVID-19", the statement "The FDA has approved it to be prescribed" is literally true.) He is contrasting this to some other drug that could potentially be used to help COVID-19 patients but has not had the same testing. This is a huge deal, because it allows the FDA to move quicker in evaluating the potential use of the drug in COVID-19 situations.

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Post by [deleted] »

topher200 wrote: post #46
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part i…

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Post by AmericanChopper »

anigbrowl wrote: post #56
AmericanChopper wrote: post #21

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When did Trump recommend that people self-medicate chloroquine? Even the CNN article trying to pin this on him only quoted him as saying that he was working with the FDA to make it available via prescription for this treatment.

You're surely aware that Trump regularly declares himself more knowledgeable than the experts and derides his critics as 'fake news' or 'never trumpers' etc. etc. It's not a stretch to think that more credulous folk might take his tweets literally in defiance of common sense, given the media ecosystem dedicated to promoting his 24-7.

Trump didn’t come up with or popularize the idea for this treatment. All he’s done is instruct the FDA to trial it, and stated exactly when a doctor can prescribe it. This is nothing more than any of the other doctors or health officials who think the treatment has potential have done. There is no possible way that any of his comments could be construed as advice to illegally acquire and self-medicate with a drug you know nothing about. All of his comments have been about have been about having the drug properly approved for use by qualified doctors. Which given the circumstances seems like exactly the sort of response you would want from the executive.

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Post by chrisco255 »

whateveracct wrote: post #49
nostromo wrote: post #32

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He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

This story is clearly related to Trump and would not have happened without his statements. Just because he didn't say anything 100% explicitly the cause it and may have been misinterpreted is honestly besides the point. When you are given the power of the presidency, you should either treat your public words with care of just quit forever for all our sakes. This is just how having power _works_. It's a two-way street…

Simple. You make a clear connection between Trump saying hydroxychloroquine has promise and they're fast-tracking FDA approval to...man consumes fish tank additive. Trump was not even the only high profile person touting it. Elon Musk, too, touts the drug. It's not even clear this man had COVID-19. How much of his actions were driven by the escalating irrational fear on news reports? How much was driven by some random internet forum somewhere making such a suggestion? What was the mental state of the man in question? Why didn't this man seek medical advice before consuming fish tank chemicals? There's a ton about just this one story to unpack, but of course it's been sensationalized as a political hit job.

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Post by rblatz »

blhack wrote: post #70
baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

So this isn’t a helpful tone. You are politicizing this, the FDA doesn’t just trust poorly done studies and common sense, this is why we didn’t approve Thalidomide when it was widely considered safe.

Additionally you are responding to an article about people who took the drug to treat Covid-19. Peoples lives are at stake on both sides, a politician with no medical training should know better than to run his mouth about something he knows nothing about.

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Post by marshallant »

npmaile wrote: post #35
CapriciousCptl wrote: post #23

Apparently the man and his wife ingested aquarium grade chloroquine. http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate

It says that it is commonly used in aquariums. I made the same mistake in my comment below.

No, there are articles which state they took stuff used for aquariums. They state the aquarium stuff activates differently.

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Post by thomasahle »

cameronbrown wrote: post #83
blhack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

I know you've got a point, but I genuinely can't tell which side you're having a go at.

Does it have to be one or the other?

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Post by raarts »

glitcher wrote: post #7

Yet another example of "words matter", and the potential consequences when leaders do not use careful consideration in their word choices.

If you don't want to: offend, be misinterpreted or misunderstood, never say a word.

The world is full of dumb, mean and easily offended people to which "words matter".

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Post by skissane »

wildrhythms wrote: post #89
pkaye wrote: post #81

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Acetaminophen is also easy to overdose and has been recommended as a fever reducer for Coronavirus.

Who is recommending acetaminophen for coronavirus fever reduction? Provide a source.

UK National Health Service, for one: https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/paracetamol-for-adults/

> NHS coronavirus advice

> There is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make coronavirus (COVID-19) worse.

> But until we have more information, take paracetamol to treat the symptoms of coronavirus, unless your doctor has told you paracetamol is not suitable for you.

> If you are already taking ibuprofen or another non-steroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) on the advice of a doctor, do not stop taking it without checking first.

> Updated: 17 March 2020

Over-the-counter use of paracetamol (aka acetaminophen) for fever reduction is entirely standard medical advice, not specific to coronavirus at all.

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