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Post by halyconWays » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:01 PM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #80

blhack wrote: post #70

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This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

> it’s going to get people killed Like the man that the article is about?

President talks about the preliminary reports that HCQ is working for treating COVID-19 around the world. It might be a good treatment here.

People freak out. "Preliminary doesn't mean proven!"

Man self-medicates with HCQ and dies.

President's fault??

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Post by mstade » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:01 PM UTC

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

I too find it inappropriate to use a drug that hasn't first been properly tested by the president. Do lead the way, president Trump! :o)

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Post by mlindner » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:01 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #25

A relevant data point. I don't think this is a good way to share public health information. @realdonaldtrump 7:13 AM - 21 Mar 2020 HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)..... ....be put…

He's talking about the FDA.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:02 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:02 PM UTC

makomk wrote: post #29

nostromo wrote: post #10

Chloroquine is safe when administered by a doctor. It's also easy to overdose if you don't know what you're doing. I'd hate to see people spread information about how dangerous Chloroquine is when it may be very useful treatment during this pandemic.

From the page linked in the article: "A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks.". Did he literally just consume fish tank cleaner? That seems like a really easy way to mess up dosing.

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Post by catalogia » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

thecleaner wrote: post #61

I see DJT is killing is his own voters. Good for Democrats. No other way they will win next year.

Is it known that this man voted for Trump? The article doesn't seem to say anything about his political beliefs.

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Post by mrosett » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

Don’t take prescription drugs without a prescription. In particular, don’t take an overdose of illicitly obtained forms.

I’ve criticized Trump plenty during this outbreak, and I’m worried that he and others are over promising chloroquine’s potential. But blaming this death on him is tenuous. He didn’t tell people to go take it recklessly

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Post by redis_mlc » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

triceratops wrote: post #62

nostromo wrote: post #32

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He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.

Not sure if that's relevant.

Once a drug is approved by the FDA for one disease, it can be used off-label for other purposes.

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Post by HarryHirsch » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

plastic_teeth wrote: post #58

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

True thing. Also people who I like like Elon Musk spoke about it https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239650597906898947?s=20 On one side his voice should be heard, it may give people hope and help to move stuff On the other side, some people who don't know what balance is, might use it in the wrong way.

A responsible man would have advocated for clinical trials, the only way to know if any drug actually does what it's supposed to do. There are dozens of drugs, experimental and repurposed, that show activity against SARS - remember there was that epidemic in 2002, and since then people looked at the virus, knowing it was going to be back.

But Elon Musk is not a responsible man. He is Mr Foot-in-Mouth on Twitter many times over.

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Post by wl » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

triceratops wrote: post #66

tathougies wrote: post #60

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The FDA has approved it as a prescription drug. You shouldn't use a prescription drug unless you have a doctor telling you to. A doctor would know to look for the side effects and contraindications of quinine (of which there are many). Obviously, self medicating a prescription drug is irresponsible. None of what the president says changes that. He said the FDA approved it. Independent of the truth value of that state…

The FDA has not approved it as a prescription drug for Covid-19. It's approved for malaria.

That's not really relevant. A physician can lawfully prescribe it today for COVID-19 despite not being FDA approved for that indication because it's approved for other indications. This is called off-label use. What FDA approval for treating COVID-19 would mean is that the drug could be marketed for such use. In a pandemic, I don't think that's a major consideration.