I see DJT is killing is his own voters. Good for Democrats. No other way they will win next year.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731
He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.
The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731
A quick skim of the article does not show any quote stating you should self medicate. There are quotes misrepresenting which stage of approval it is in.
Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody."
Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant. I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.
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#64The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.
He didn’t recommend using the drug. And even if he straight up told people to eat massive doses meant for fish, that still wouldn’t absolve anyone from the consequences of their actions.
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#65I wasn't able to find a reliable source on short notice, but the ones I found indicate a therapeutic index of around 4-8 for chloroquine. The therapeutic index is the ratio between the dose that is effective and the lethal dose. So in this case if you take 4-8 times the dose that actually works you're in the range where it could kill you. I'd be really interested in more robust sources on this. But from the bits I've…
The therapeutic index for paracetamol (acetaminophen) is ~10 (or less for people with damaged liver etc)
Be careful with all medicines or drugs - taking more can easily lead to worse outcomes.
Edit: “In a review article on paracetamol toxicity among children, the therapeutic index was 1.7” [Heubi JE, Bien JP. Acetaminophen use in children: more is not better. J Pediatr 1997]
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Exact quote regarding a drug not approved by the FDA for treatment of the disease: "We’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately." And: "It may work, it may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. Just a feeling." From a pharmaceutical company, this would be patently illegal advertising since it's mentioning an off-label use of a drug. From a politician with zero medical knowledge,…
The FDA has approved it as a prescription drug. You shouldn't use a prescription drug unless you have a doctor telling you to. A doctor would know to look for the side effects and contraindications of quinine (of which there are many). Obviously, self medicating a prescription drug is irresponsible. None of what the president says changes that. He said the FDA approved it. Independent of the truth value of that state…
The FDA has not approved it as a prescription drug for Covid-19. It's approved for malaria.
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#67The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.
It's been tested for years (decades? it's generic) as an anti-malaria drug. Any drug can be overdosed.
That's an oversimplification.
The amount for an overdose is only around 3X a regular dose (2g vs 600mg) In contrast, most drugs for which you overdose need to be at much higher dosage multiples compared to the prescribed dose.
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Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?
Right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GuNbGC2D_8
He said that it has had very encouraging early results, and we know it won't kill anyone because it has already been in use, and that they will work with the FDA to make it available. All of this is accurate. It doesn't mean people should be self-medicating, anymore than they should be self-medicating for malaria treatment.
Look, I've been highly critical of Trump's handling of the crisis but you can't really pin this particular incident on him.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731
He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance. He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks." http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate I don't see why every story needs to be about him.
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#70The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.
This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January.
This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.