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Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by rusk »

djtriptych wrote: post #30
ninenines wrote: post #16

Lot of people tend to have respiratory failure before situation gets worrisome and breath exercises are a definite way to help your body do what a ventilator does In yoga asanas, there are few breathing exercises that existed in ancient India and I myself can attest to it that I was able to overcome lot of allergies practising it, Here is a resource to follow along. https://youtu.be/iUKjuni-6l8 starts at 9 mins and g…

I upvoted. HN hates comments like this but I've also had similar experiences. Asthmatic as a kid, high blood pressure in my 20s. All of that disappeared.

> HN hates comments like this

Surprised you haven't got the old "anecdata is no data" response yet …

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by rusk »

madhadron wrote: post #64
WalterBright wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we pull in stomach when inhaling Wat? My stomach goes out when I inhale. I could not find any way to pull in my stomach and inhale.

It is a common dysfunction in western cultures to lift and try to expand the ribcage when breathing in, while dragging the gut in. It results in a much smaller breathing volume, lots of weird, unnecessary physical stresses. Kind of the same kind of thing as people bending their spine weirdly backward when told to stand up straight.

I used to do this as a kid, and noticed it at one point and thought it weird. I must have subconsciously corrected it over the years since then cause it's not how I breath any more …

I wonder is it related to prevalence of sitting?

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by rimliu »

djtriptych wrote: post #30
ninenines wrote: post #16

Lot of people tend to have respiratory failure before situation gets worrisome and breath exercises are a definite way to help your body do what a ventilator does In yoga asanas, there are few breathing exercises that existed in ancient India and I myself can attest to it that I was able to overcome lot of allergies practising it, Here is a resource to follow along. https://youtu.be/iUKjuni-6l8 starts at 9 mins and g…

I upvoted. HN hates comments like this but I've also had similar experiences. Asthmatic as a kid, high blood pressure in my 20s. All of that disappeared.

post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by DrAwdeOccarim »

I was intrigued by this report last year (http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/inspiratory-muscle-strength...) and did some research around the idea of Inspiratory Muscle Strength Training (IMST). Turns out there has been a bit of peer-reviewed work done recently around IMST and statistically significant reductions in blood pressure, especially in regard to obstructive sleep apnea treated with CPAP (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4863204/). I went out and purchased the K3 that was used in the recent work showing 5 minutes of IMST training at 75% capacity reduced blood pressure by 10 points (https://www.powerbreathe.com/product-category/breathing-trai...). I've been doing it off and on for 6 months now, and I can attest that after 3 weeks of twice daily use, my blood pressure was reduced by at least 10 points. I've also noticed sleeping better with my CPAP. YMWV, but the peer reviewed science seems legit and I've personally benefited from it!

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by sah2ed »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #54
readarticle wrote: post #48

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Simply “fill” your chest while inhaling and your stomach can’t not go in. Imagine a cartoon of someone taking a deep breath before blowing out a candle or something.

It's unhealthy but anatomically possible to breathe while your abdomen is pulled in. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319924 Try it. You end up breathing using your rib cage instead of your diaphragm.

That unhealthy form of breathing is called vertical breathing. The correct form is horizontal breathing [0] helpfully shared elsewhere in this thread.

0: https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-breathe/

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by rv-de »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #37
ninenines wrote: post #16

Lot of people tend to have respiratory failure before situation gets worrisome and breath exercises are a definite way to help your body do what a ventilator does In yoga asanas, there are few breathing exercises that existed in ancient India and I myself can attest to it that I was able to overcome lot of allergies practising it, Here is a resource to follow along. https://youtu.be/iUKjuni-6l8 starts at 9 mins and g…

Yes! Breathing like that will purge carbon dioxide from your blood more quickly and result in higher oxygen levels. There are some really powerful exercises based on oxygen breathing in quite a few different traditions. Some names I've heard of are "holotropic breathing", "circular breathing", "breath of fire", "round breathing", "bioenergetics breathing", and "Wim Hoff method". Wilhelm Reich made use of oxygen incre…

Hyperventilating reduces oxygen levels in your body due to the Bohr effect. That's why it can cause you to faint.

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by ptsneves »

lm28469 wrote: post #79
verytrivial wrote: post #78

If you haven't already, start jogging/running. Unless you are in a super-dense city it's easy to meet isolation requirements. Start jogging at the start of each 5 (or 2) minute boundary, jog until you're too puffed, then walk until next boundary. Repeat until 20, 30 or 45 minutes is up. Done. Then repeat every day or other day until you are jogging non-stop. Congratulations, you're now a runner and your lungs are now…

> your lungs are now unavoidably stronger. Are there any long term studies about the health effects of running in polluted cities ?

I remember a paper that found that its worse to run near roads than to run at all, with huge amounts of absorption of contaminants into the body. Contaminants being "recorded" in the runner's hair.

Out of the blue I found this paper finding a relationship between worse performance and pollution in marathons.[1]

[1] https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/79473/1/MPRA_paper_79473.pdf

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by ahpearce »

ptsneves wrote: post #87
lm28469 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your lungs are now unavoidably stronger. Are there any long term studies about the health effects of running in polluted cities ?

I remember a paper that found that its worse to run near roads than to run at all, with huge amounts of absorption of contaminants into the body. Contaminants being "recorded" in the runner's hair. Out of the blue I found this paper finding a relationship between worse performance and pollution in marathons.[1] [1] https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/79473/1/MPRA_paper_79473.pdf

That study was done in China which is pretty notorious for its air quality. Probably best not to run outside when the AQI is high though. https://airnow.gov/

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by blurbleblurble »

goldenkey wrote: post #65
jules wrote: post #61

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If this is the case, what causes the light-headedness when you hyperventilate?

"Low carbon dioxide levels lead to narrowing of the blood vessels that supply blood to the brain. This reduction in blood supply to the brain leads to symptoms like lightheadedness and tingling in the fingers. Severe hyperventilation can lead to loss of consciousness. For some people, hyperventilation is rare."

I understand the tingling of the fingers to be caused by a reduction of calcium ionization:

"Low levels of carbon dioxide cause tetany by altering the albumin binding of calcium such that the ionized (physiologically influencing) fraction of calcium is reduced; one common reason for low carbon dioxide levels is hyperventilation."

Re: Breathing and Exercise: Strength Training for Your Diaphragm (2018)

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Post by throw1234651234 »

DrAwdeOccarim wrote: post #84

I was intrigued by this report last year ( http://www.sci-news.com/medicine/inspiratory-muscle-strength... ) and did some research around the idea of Inspiratory Muscle Strength Training (IMST). Turns out there has been a bit of peer-reviewed work done recently around IMST and statistically significant reductions in blood pressure, especially in regard to obstructive sleep apnea treated with CPAP ( https://www.ncbi.n…

Thank you very much for mentioning this. I have high blood pressure and wasn't going to read the article until I saw this.
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