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Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#161

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Renegotiate your rent during the crisis. It's extremely unlikely your landlord is going to be able to rent it to someone new in the foreseeable future. Most landlords are highly leveraged and need income. Make an offer to cut it in half and see if they bite.

I own several rental properties, and I’ve already told my property managers that I’m receptive to rent reductions - less rent still beats an empty property. Any landlord who expects to get through this without a reduction in income is just delusional.

I know an absolute ton of small businesses owners. Every single one of them has tried to renegotiate or get forbearance on rent this week.

They have had 0% success and the only response is really that rent is due on the first.

There will be a massive commercial real estate crisis soon.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#162

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But you realize the reason expensive things are expensive is because there are enough people willing to pay the premium. If demand for premium products diminishes, premium product producers can either lower prices to meet demand at lower price point, or lower production to new lower levels of demand. Either way there is a present glut of expensive things without enough demand, so existing oversupply is liquidated. So…

> If demand for premium products diminishes, This is the crucial part, there is no reason to believe this is happening. There is not a 'glut' of expensive things as many are forced to buy the expensive alternative when their preferred choice is gone, and regular consumers of the premium brands still buy them. They just sell out less fast.

The economy is 75% of what it was 3 weeks ago. Numerous industries have laid of 50%+ of their laborers. I’m going to wager there is less demand for premium products.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#163
post #48

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Plenty of milk, eggs, water here. Oddly enough, bananas, bread and chicken are what disappeared. I went this morning though and chicken, fruit, bread, etc.. is fully stocked again. Just missing paper and cleaning products. My goto 'cheap' meal is bacon, eggs, sautéed tomatoes/mushrooms. It's more than $1.50/day, but has good nutrition and tastes good. Potatoes have also not been an issue here. So another feed the fam…

You know the annoying thing about potatoes here? It’s ONLY russets. Yellow, red, and whatever the black ones are called, all day long. It’s like people know something about Yukon/russets that I don’t. I think sweet potatoes (more nutritious) are even on sale.

you know the cool thing about potatoes? the parts [eyes, sprouts] that we dont eat can be used to grow more potatoes

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#164
post #101

"These recipes will be based on Potatoes, Milk, Flour, Eggs, and Kale. (Honorable mention to Pinto Beans and Carrots)" Been a week since I saw any of those in shops, and can't recall the last time I saw kale. As always the cheap staple foods and tins are the first to go in panic buying and you just know that all the stuff we usual meh at and lob into the food bank box's are the exact stuff people are now stocking and…

Where is that 6 months estimate from? I’ve seen as low as 2, all the way up to a cyclical 18 months from the Imperial College, so I’m just curious over the rationale behind 6.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#165
post #32

A significant portion of the population will be reduced to poverty, but at least we can keep as many elderly alive as possible.

I think a lot of your downvoters will be reconsidering their positions after a few months of horrific economic effects. In my experience, people are much less altruistic when that altruism has a real, personal cost associated with it.

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Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#166

Good list. The problem, at least here in the UK, is that these cheap foods/ingredients are exactly what we're seeing empty on the shelves now. Unfortunately for those who live cheaply, expensive things go last.

If you have any ethnic food stores near by, try them. They tend to have cheap dry goods, with high food value. Although you may not be so familiar with everything, some initiative helps. Also, keep your eyes open for unobvious cheap food - people panic buy the food they know e.g. in NZ: wheat flour, pasta, tinned tomatoes. But while there was no flour, there were still dried beans and other products that have more fo…

Good advice. Although I do worry about how long that'll be true for given the empty shelves seem to expand to a new product every few days. Hopefully the supply chains will adjust or panic buying will slow down before it becomes an issue.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#167
Been eating cheap from before the COVID-9 pandemic. Here I will contribute two recipes:

(1) Pizza.

This pizza is good on cost and preparation time, okay to good on nutrition (I'm thinking mostly of calories), and, IMHO, flavor.

Can make a pizza for one for about 9 cents of flour and the whole pizza for 40 cents.

For the dough for 8 such pizzas, I use 650 milliliters of water, 1 kilogram of flour, 1 tablespoon of active dry yeast, and 1 tablespoon of salt.

For one pizza, I form the dough into a flat circle about 8" in diameter, pre-cook in a microwave for 2 minutes, add tomato sauce, Mozzarella cheese, and sliced pepperoni, place on a cast iron frying pan, add a cover, and cook at 1/3 power on a common, large electric stove-top burner for 14 minutes, slice, add 2 tablespoons of grated Pecorino Romano cheese.

More details at

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20666008

and the responses there maybe from some people who assumed I was claiming to do better than their favorite pizzeria.

Also more details at

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18851878

with a cost analysis indicating that one pizza costs 39.203 cents.

(2) Pork BBQ

At Sam's Club I got two fresh pork "Boston Butt" (shoulder) pieces.

One at a time, I put them on a wire roasting rack in a big 'granite' covered roasting pan, placed in an oven at 221 F. About 10 hours later a fast reading meat thermometer reported that the internal meat temperature was 195 F (I was shooting for only about 185 F), and I declared the meat done.

Meat was soft and juicy. There was a lot of liquid in the bottom of the roasting pan.

I used a slotted kitchen spoon to scoop the (soft) meat from the wire rack and roasting pan into a clean plastic dishpan. From there I moved batches one at a time to a cutting board.

There was a small, thin, clean, dry shoulder bone; discarded that.

On the cutting board, I included and mixed in the fat still with the meat.

With a chef's knife with a 12" blade, made parallel cuts about 1" apart and then at 90 degrees again. I grew up in Memphis and there the BBQ sandwiches were from picnic pork shoulder BBQ chopped essentially as I did it here.

From the two pieces, scooped into a total of 6 covered plastic containers, each with 2 quarts of volume. Put 5 of those in the freezer and the 6th in the main part of the refrigerator.

Data:

     Raw Weights:

          9.69 pounds

          10.14 pounds

     Costs:

          $11.41

          $11.97

     Cooked weights:

          2,466 grams

          2,810 grams

     Yields:

          100 * ( 2,466 /
          28.3495 ) / (
          9.69 * 16 ) =
          56.105%

          100 * ( 2,810 /
          28.3495 ) / (
          10.14 * 16 ) =
          61.095%

     Total cost per pound
     of cooked BBQ:

          ( 11.41 + 11.97 )
          / ( ( 2,466 +
          2,810 ) / (
          28.3495 * 16 ) )
          = $2.010

     Total cost per ounce
     of cooked BBQ:

          ( 11.41 + 11.97 )
          / ( ( 2,466 +
          2,810 ) / (
          28.3495 ) ) =
          $0.125,627
One sandwich can do well with 2 2/3 ounces of the BBQ or costs

     ( 2 + 2/3 ) *
     0.125,627 = $0.335
or 33.5 cents for the BBQ pork.

Add a bun, some BBQ sauce, some hot BBQ sauce, and some homemade coleslaw (shredded green cabbage and bottled Ranch dressing), and have a good soft, moist, chopped, BBQ pork sandwich.

So the effort put

     ( 2,466 + 2,810 ) / (
     28.3495 * 16 ) =
     11.632
pounds of cooked, ready to eat, soft, moist, chopped pork BBQ.

Let's see: At 2 2/3 ounces per sandwich, what I put in the refrigerator in the six containers is good for

     ( ( 2,466 + 2,810 ) /
     ( 28.3495 ) ) / ( 2 +
     2/3 ) = 69
sandwiches!

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#168
post #28

Its worth clarifying that the article is specifically addressing the fallout from the pandemic: Unemployment and poverty due to failing economies and shuttered restaurants and bars. In the US, Despite our country having vast and endless supplies of food from megafarms and their accompanying subsidies, there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. worth posting, a…

there is very little safety net in America to ensure anyone is fed at all once they are unemployed. Everything I have read and experienced suggests this is not true. You may be unaware of it if you have never been desperately poor. A lot of the food aid available to the poor in the US is handled very quietly because it's done by local organizations trying to take care of the local people who actively want to avoid le…

You say this:

==Everything I have read and experienced suggests this is not true.==

I only see examples of things you have read. What about the experiences you mentioned?

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#169
post #155
post #47

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Flour and Sugar are also gone here. Bread is limited supply

I find it funny that we can find plenty of bread but flour is a completely different story. I'm a little surprised the demand - I recognize how useful flour is, but I'm surprised so many people actually feel confident enough to do anything with it (not that baking is that uncommon, but I only know a few people who know how to stuff like bake bread). On the other hand I guess it is the perfect time learn

I suspect that many people are just buying it because they found it on a list of things to buy from the internet

Many of them will probably stick it 20 pounds of flour in their cabinet and never use it for anything.

I do use it, I make biscuits, and gravy every sunday... I have enough flour to last awhile and was not in the market for any but I did notice that section that normally had a pallet of each was empty in my store.

Re: Eat for $1.50 per Day – Layoffs, Coronavirus Quarantine, Food Shortages

#170
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of milk, eggs, water here. Oddly enough, bananas, bread and chicken are what disappeared. I went this morning though and chicken, fruit, bread, etc.. is fully stocked again. Just missing paper and cleaning products. My goto 'cheap' meal is bacon, eggs, sautéed tomatoes/mushrooms. It's more than $1.50/day, but has good nutrition and tastes good. Potatoes have also not been an issue here. So another feed the fam…

You know the annoying thing about potatoes here? It’s ONLY russets. Yellow, red, and whatever the black ones are called, all day long. It’s like people know something about Yukon/russets that I don’t. I think sweet potatoes (more nutritious) are even on sale.

hahaha, you noticed?

they are more expensive. that's all. same thing is happening where i live, all other potatoes are disappearing but them russets are just staying there. but our store restocks potatoes in the morning.

pasta, noodles, tomato cans, and rice are not being restocked though.

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