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Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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between this and Elon's stuff, how long till it is impossible to do astronomy or safely launch anything into space?

How long until the most remote and poorest populations in the world can access jobs and the worlds collective knowledge on the internet? That’s a much better question to ask, mr negative.

Most of these people already have at least 2G cellular coverage.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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Ideally with space based telescopes. Hopefully launching things up into orbit becomes dirty cheap and it's not so unreasonable.

These satellites are going to damage real science that is already costing us billions (and what's more perverse, do it for a profit). Professional astronomers already warned us about the issue, and IMHO there's no reason to think we know better. Of course we're launching telescopes into space (like the James Webb, planned for 2021 [1]), but those won't be able to replace science done by the larger terrestrial telesco…

Surely someone who builds an 86 meter wide telescope is able to spend a few bucks on image processing software, that even today's hand held mobile devices could do in real time...

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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OneWeb will be worse than fiberoptics while Starlink will be better than fiberoptics. This suggests OneWeb is pretty much doomed to fail.

There’s no way Starlink will be better than fiber. You have to pay a 25 ms penalty just to play, and then you have the cost of each hop, of which there are many.

highly recommend you watch these two latency modelings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEIUdMiColU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m05abdGSOxY

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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There’s no way Starlink will be better than fiber. You have to pay a 25 ms penalty just to play, and then you have the cost of each hop, of which there are many.

Musk is selling precisely that to NYSE-London traders. Speed of light in a vacuum is considerably (I think 40%) faster than speed of light in glass fiber optics

Like I said, there is a latency barrier to get in and out of the atmosphere due to RF modulation. Only NYC to Tokyo will be close, but that’s generous, as it doesn’t take into account intersatellite routing delays. Whereas, NYC to London by fiber is a single hop.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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There’s no way Starlink will be better than fiber. You have to pay a 25 ms penalty just to play, and then you have the cost of each hop, of which there are many.

Musk is selling precisely that to NYSE-London traders. Speed of light in a vacuum is considerably (I think 40%) faster than speed of light in glass fiber optics

Further, note that Starlink’s current batch of satellites don’t have laser links, so data can’t hop from satellite to satellite. It’s up and then back down immediately. We’ll have to wait for v2 or v3.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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There’s no way Starlink will be better than fiber. You have to pay a 25 ms penalty just to play, and then you have the cost of each hop, of which there are many.

highly recommend you watch these two latency modelings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEIUdMiColU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m05abdGSOxY

These don’t include the latency cost to get through the atmosphere, or cost of routing at each satellite. As such they are fairly worthless.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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On Saturday March 21st I was at the tip of Canada's Point Pelee National Park, approximately 41.909055, -82.509154. At 9:12 EDT (1:12 AM UTC on the next day), I saw a an approximate disordered line of satellites passing above Orion. They were all going at the same speed and in a very similar direction, west to east close to parallel with the belt of Orion. But they were all on slightly different almost parallel tracks. The spacing was more regular, though also a bit irregular.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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Let's put this to rest for once and all. The average radius of Earth is 6,371 km. Initial sats will be at 550 km height (many will be higher, many somewhat lower, but does not make much diff.) So the surface of the 6,931km radius globe is ~603,672,875 km2 (~604 million square kilometers). Don't have exact size for a Starlink sat, but a good upper bound is 3 x 2 m, i.e. 6 m2 = 0.000006 km2. Let's say there will be 40,…

Looks like you've never done astronomy. A single satellite passing through the shot can saturate the sensor and ruin a multi hour exposure.

Looks like you have never done computers. It is trivial to substract the well known light effect of the sat.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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Looks like you've never done astronomy. A single satellite passing through the shot can saturate the sensor and ruin a multi hour exposure.

Looks like you have never done computers. It is trivial to substract the well known light effect of the sat.

From a saturated pixel on a CCD?

I once made the mistake of shooting a twilight flat when it wasn't dark enough yet, and it took me 20 minutes to pump all of the electrons out of the CCD.

Re: OneWeb successfully launches 34 more satellites into orbit

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Looks like you've never done astronomy. A single satellite passing through the shot can saturate the sensor and ruin a multi hour exposure.

The satellite would not be passing through the shot for the entire exposure. If you had software to detect and delete frames with a satellite moving through them, how many frames from a multi-hour exposure would have to be deleted? I assume it can even be done digitally in post-production, but even if you had to actually close the aperture ahead of the satellite crossing through your frame, we know exactly where the…

We studied this technique in the graduate-level observation class I took 30 years ago. It is not trivial for a lot of reasons, especially for modern wide-field telescopes with multiple satellites in the field of view at all times.
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