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Covid-19’s stop-gap solution until vaccines and antivirals are ready

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Post by dmarchand90 »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #47

Why do they keep saying 'until vaccines are ready' as though it's a foregone conclusion that we can make a vaccine for this? Is this type of virus always a good one to make vaccines for? There are tons of viruses we have failed to vaccinate for, despite trying for 30 or 40 years. People seem to be universally saying a vaccine is '12-18 months away'. Is this just misinformation? I would love to hear from an expert abo…

Not an expert. It's not guaranteed but it seems like covid19 has a lowish mutation rate, similar or perhaps lower than the flu. So it would seem reasonable that this a vaccine-amenable virus. But there are no guarantees.

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Post by jlokier »

acqq wrote: post #55
freepor wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the costs look like if the market scaled up by 1000 or 10000x?

The cost comes from the nonscalability of both the production and the use.

What are the main obstacles to scalability of production and of use?

Could the former be amenable to treatment as an engineering problem? There are a lot of motivated engineering minds right now.

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ArnoVW wrote: post #58
baxtr wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I agree, unfortunately. Best examples: To my best knowledge no other European country has pledged massive help to Italy. China did a bit.

While this is true, I wonder if this is not partly because the European countries were quite busy organising themselves and were anticipating an urgent but unknown need for their own population. China has a retrospective of three months and has stabilized the situation. They know what they are facing and the resources needed, and have even started to dismantle the temporary hospitals they set up in January. What can…

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Post by stevesimmons »

baxtr wrote: post #56
ehsankia wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it has the potential to, but so far, there hasn't really much of it, or have I been missing it? Obviously progress is slow, but I think there's also a lot of fluff being thrown around, so we won't really know for some time. I haven't noticed any extra amount of cooperation though between countries, more so than the usual.

Yeah, I agree, unfortunately. Best examples: To my best knowledge no other European country has pledged massive help to Italy. China did a bit.

Russia too now

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Post by dao- »

ArnoVW wrote: post #58
baxtr wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I agree, unfortunately. Best examples: To my best knowledge no other European country has pledged massive help to Italy. China did a bit.

While this is true, I wonder if this is not partly because the European countries were quite busy organising themselves and were anticipating an urgent but unknown need for their own population. China has a retrospective of three months and has stabilized the situation. They know what they are facing and the resources needed, and have even started to dismantle the temporary hospitals they set up in January. What can…

Baden-Württemberg in southwest Germany just pledged to take intensive care patients from northeast France:

https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/covid-19-baden-wuerttemberg-w...

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Post by tomohawk »

> clinical trials could begin in 3–4 weeks provided that they clear all the regulatory steps. If that happens ...

Can someone break this down day by day as to why 3-4 weeks are necessary and proper to get through the very first regulatory hurdle?

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Post by dao- »

baxtr wrote: post #56
ehsankia wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it has the potential to, but so far, there hasn't really much of it, or have I been missing it? Obviously progress is slow, but I think there's also a lot of fluff being thrown around, so we won't really know for some time. I haven't noticed any extra amount of cooperation though between countries, more so than the usual.

Yeah, I agree, unfortunately. Best examples: To my best knowledge no other European country has pledged massive help to Italy. China did a bit.

Also Cuba is sending doctors and nurses to Italy:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cuba/c...

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Post by agumonkey »

tcbawo wrote: post #43

Some emerging theories of pathology suggest that lung function can be increased by reinflating collapsed alveoli with constant pressure: https://emcrit.org/pulmcrit/cpap-covid/ . It describes cases where oxygen supplementation could be reduced or eliminated. This development ( https://www.isinnova.it/easy-covid19-eng/ ) looks very promising for 'sub-intensive' cases -- adapting decathlon mask/snorkel with a 3D printe…

I don't know where to ask.. is vaporized cbd helpful ? it's said to be a potent anti inflammatory compounds and also help cleansing cells through apoptosis.

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Post by nikofeyn »

_bxg1 wrote: post #41

This crisis is the first event in my lifetime that's given me any optimism about our ability, as a global civilization, to solve problems and get things done. I don't feel like we've seen humanity at its best in several decades. Shame it always takes a catastrophe (and an immediate one at that; see climate change) to bring it out.

> This crisis is the first event in my lifetime that's given me any optimism about our ability, as a global civilization, to solve problems and get things done.

would you mind elaborating? because i find it extremely difficult how one could hold such an optimistic and apparent naive opinion.

from where i sit, this crisis is showing the exact opposite. there is very little international communication and cooperation, and even internal to countries, like in the u.s., there is very little communication and cooperation. aside from a few outliers, the while thing has just been wave after wave of delayed and reactive actions that were underprepared to begin with.

people keep thinking we'll solve this with technology (the typical human way), but what would have been better is if everyone simply communicated, listened, and cooperated.

the human race could not face a dumber enemy. think about it. if everyone on earth just sat still for a couple of weeks, this thing would just vanish. can you imagine a more simple foe? and yet, this thing is crippling econmies, healthcare, and more.

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Post by selimthegrim »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #60
_bxg1 wrote: post #41

This crisis is the first event in my lifetime that's given me any optimism about our ability, as a global civilization, to solve problems and get things done. I don't feel like we've seen humanity at its best in several decades. Shame it always takes a catastrophe (and an immediate one at that; see climate change) to bring it out.

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Taiwan is authoritarian ultra capitalist?
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