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How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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No mention of virus/disease. Somehow Greta Thunberg led us to where we are now. And this is supposed to be a history written for the future? I guess objective truths really are just a detail for the strongly ideological

I don't believe the author intended the piece to be taken literally - it's illustrating a point, rather than making a serious suggestion that we lie about what happened.

Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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I get this as a nice idea in the way that whoever wins the war gets to tell the story, but it conflates 3 different issues. Environment, disease, and economics. It starts of telling the story of the environment, completely ignores the disease and somehow magically, the issues in the current economy get resolved. Another way to tell the story is that Mother Nature got tired of the greed and people that did not care fo…

Its simpler than that, if we're brutally honest and scientific: the developed world had accumulated, through extensive use of modern medicine and redistributive welfare schemes, a large population of people who were kept alive solely by modern medicine and the support (forced or otherwise) of their fellow citizens. With the appearance of a new type of virus, mostly harmless to the majority of the population, but leth…

> lethal to those at the medical fringes (eg. 99% of cases in Italy have existing health problems

The most common existing health problems from the study[0]:

* Diabetes - 29% of the US population affected

* Hypertension - 45% of the US population affected

Hardly "fringe".

[0] https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-C...

Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its simpler than that, if we're brutally honest and scientific: the developed world had accumulated, through extensive use of modern medicine and redistributive welfare schemes, a large population of people who were kept alive solely by modern medicine and the support (forced or otherwise) of their fellow citizens. With the appearance of a new type of virus, mostly harmless to the majority of the population, but leth…

> 99% of cases in Italy have existing health problems, average age 79 Definitely no, unless you define the "cases" as "whatever my wish is to name the case to prove my own point now" and even then also fake the numbers. Both the doctors on any location on Earth, including China, as well as World Health Organization define the cases differently and count completely other values: the "cases" are the actual big numbers…

I meant to say 'fatal cases' and have corrected the text. Thanks for pointing it out.

Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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Pretty funny post. I'm sure we've been told such high tales too and actually believe them.

Noone will believe this though because once corona is over, it'll be business as usual: we'll go back to polluting the planet for our kids, consuming as much as before, ignoring the warning of scientists, and blaming immigrants for our problems.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its simpler than that, if we're brutally honest and scientific: the developed world had accumulated, through extensive use of modern medicine and redistributive welfare schemes, a large population of people who were kept alive solely by modern medicine and the support (forced or otherwise) of their fellow citizens. With the appearance of a new type of virus, mostly harmless to the majority of the population, but leth…

> lethal to those at the medical fringes (eg. 99% of cases in Italy have existing health problems The most common existing health problems from the study[0]: * Diabetes - 29% of the US population affected * Hypertension - 45% of the US population affected Hardly "fringe". [0] https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-C...

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Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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I get this as a nice idea in the way that whoever wins the war gets to tell the story, but it conflates 3 different issues. Environment, disease, and economics. It starts of telling the story of the environment, completely ignores the disease and somehow magically, the issues in the current economy get resolved. Another way to tell the story is that Mother Nature got tired of the greed and people that did not care fo…

The blog post is an exercise in pointing out that it's truly remarkable that within a few months of the global environmental protest movement, global governments have actually delivered, forcefully, quickly and with global agreements, many of the outcomes that the environmental movement would have wanted/needed. That's just a really weird idea because the reason for the governments doing all those things is completel…

Thanks for clarifying Andrew, I missed that point.

Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

#29

I get this as a nice idea in the way that whoever wins the war gets to tell the story, but it conflates 3 different issues. Environment, disease, and economics. It starts of telling the story of the environment, completely ignores the disease and somehow magically, the issues in the current economy get resolved. Another way to tell the story is that Mother Nature got tired of the greed and people that did not care fo…

I want to live in your world, but I am too pessimistic. I think we'll go right back to the same stuff after this pandemic ends and no one will have learned a thing. I'm sad that I think like that instead of like your story.

I somewhat agree with you cowboy, but at the same time, it's up to us to create/continue the movement. The younger generation are (apparently) already less consumerist than those of us who grew up in the 80s & 90s. I speak to my nieces and nephews about reduced consumerism, though I can't say it is having the effect I'd have liked.

We just have to keep the mentality going and spreading. This is actually an opportunity to show them what can be done in a short period of time with the right inputs.

Re: How to explain the events of 2019/2020 to the next generation – a handy guide

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I get this as a nice idea in the way that whoever wins the war gets to tell the story, but it conflates 3 different issues. Environment, disease, and economics. It starts of telling the story of the environment, completely ignores the disease and somehow magically, the issues in the current economy get resolved. Another way to tell the story is that Mother Nature got tired of the greed and people that did not care fo…

> We opened our eyes to find that not only did we not need as much In terms of Keynesian economics, it has nothing to do with need, rather that allowing investors to "keep" and reinvest produces more overall growth and thus tax revenue as other taxation schemes. Sad and difficult, but according to Keynesian interpretation, these donations during trying times are likely an economic detriment in the long term.

That's really an interesting take. I'd like to understand more about how the donations are detrimental long-term. Can you elaborate?
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