Most people (and most people who advice the public in the US) doesn't take this serious enough. One of the foremost experts in epidemiology in the US Michael T. Osterholm said on Joe Rogan (AFAIKR) 6-12 months for the virus to go away, up to 5 years for a vaccine and that it would return in China when people start behaving normally again. This isn't something that will go away in a few weeks or months. In "Deadliest…
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If COVID19 was spreading in the US since November then the US hospital system should have been overwhelmed by now with intensive care patients. The first infection in China was traced back to November and they were building hospitals by early February. The only places I've seen the first US infection being dated that early are conspiracies on Chinese social media that claim the origin of COVID19 to be the US instead…
”If COVID19 was spreading in the US since November then the US hospital system should have been overwhelmed by now with intensive care patients.” Or the fatality and hospitalization rates have been overestimated due to severity bias. We know this to be true, actually. We just don’t have good estimates of what the true rates are. It wouldn’t be shocking at all to find out the virus is already widespread, and only slig…
In italy in hard hit city, they were unable to cremate people fast enough and army had to move bodies. Influenza does not cause that.
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I'm in india and may be I do not understand gravity of the situation, but I'm more worried about USA, here people are already scared as shit and most things are in lockdown, which helps the situation.
Trump already gave advice for calming down scared Americans. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/20/trump-message...
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#234Four years of presidency tenure has it’s downsides.
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Apparently not with this when you're early. I took it seriously when a third degree polynomial fit worked too well and then suddenly didn't.
A logistic curve is indistinguishable from an exponential when you're "early". The earlier you are, the closer they are.
I stopped trusting any of my rudimentary models by Sunday+incubation, because conditions changed then. Which data, why I trusted them and the set of assumptions taken to consider them representative for the shape of the time series/distribution, that's something I don't think I should share here at this point. In any case I'm used to extract some information from imperfect data, you approximate and estimate. I mean there was by then 12, then 16, then 30 positives in a nursery home next to my door, and no lockdown measures, now there's 100, an improvised hospital there and I'm not allowed go out except for buying groceries. Two weeks ago I needed some picture which I wasn't getting anywhere, the alternative was freaking out after comparing what the authorities were saying with what I knew about the situation. Now they are making sense and the measures in place too, so I expect it getting much better soon.
I don't want to go into epidemiology and I want to respect and trust blindly the epidemiologists, but in any field you expect the professionals having predictive skills working before your eyes, that's their job. Hearing that we should wait for the post-mortem to know where we are now, I mean, come on... And now I'll just shut up.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_debt#United_States "Studies have found people are most likely to accumulate large medical debts when they do not have health insurance to cover the costs of necessary medications, treatments, or procedures" In most cases, no job = no health insurance
If you want to talk about insurance and affordability: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affor...
That's what the entire marketplace concept was about. Admittedly, there are issues, but it's an improvement and something we can go farther with.
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>I’d rather have an informed discussion among smart people Yes, but that's the thing isn't it? We're not informed, and fitting ke^x to data doesn't make us informed. This reeks of Dunning-Kruger. I get that the intention is good, but we have to have some humility and not go all "hold on! I'll save the day!"
Original poster here. > and fitting ke^x to data doesn't make us informed Well, yours is an interesting post but let me ask if curve fitting doesn't make us more informed then what does? There's an update to the data for the US in the past few hours and it doesn't improve things. I very carefully stated out my limitations, and then pointed them out again when someone critiqued my approach (see edit on https://news.yc…
No, you just made a large number of flaws in your initial analysis, and it made people despair of going to the effort to point out where you went wrong.
E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22648730
You're producing a future estimate, assuming that all properties of your dataset are consistent (they aren't) and will continue to hold (they won't).
As a few examples: (1) varying ratio of confirmed cases to actual total, (2) % increase in testing per day, day-over-day, (3) varying time offset according to disease progression and symptoms presentation (aka testing).
You seem to be of the opinion that any information is better than no information. In scenarios like this, I'm of the counter opinion that bad information is actively harmful and inferior to no information.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
”If COVID19 was spreading in the US since November then the US hospital system should have been overwhelmed by now with intensive care patients.” Or the fatality and hospitalization rates have been overestimated due to severity bias. We know this to be true, actually. We just don’t have good estimates of what the true rates are. It wouldn’t be shocking at all to find out the virus is already widespread, and only slig…
It would be shocking to epidemiologists. All their confidence intervals are well above influenza. They are fully aware of all caveats amateur people talk about here and don't think it is like normal flu. In italy in hard hit city, they were unable to cremate people fast enough and army had to move bodies. Influenza does not cause that.
The error bars on CFR estimates run from fractions of a percent to a few percent. In countries that have tested large numbers of people who are not severely ill, the case fatality rates have been at the low end of that range.
This isn’t “shocking to epidemiologists”, it’s shocking only to people who dismiss basic facts and try to use irrelevant distractions (like cremation rates) to incite fear.
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Maybe, maybe not. Until we get the hard data regarding what is happening in London, we can't say anything definite. Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, which made it much more reasonable.
So now Italy's pandemic has gone from "horrible" to "reasonable?" It's CFR is increasing, not decreasing. The number of cases is increasing exponentially, not flattening, and the death rate in human terms is approaching 1K per day. I don't know what world you live in, but here in reality, this is horrible.
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Maybe, maybe not. Until we get the hard data regarding what is happening in London, we can't say anything definite. Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, which made it much more reasonable.
> Look at Italy - it was a horrible pandemic - until we got the data, Italy just had 793 deaths in one day. If you really want to "look at Italy" why are you ignoring all the Italian doctors? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-italy-doctor... At the moment one Italian dies from covid-19 every two minutes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl…