Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform • Hacker News Board

Full disclosure: I work on Kogito. This is a "rethinking" of our traditional engines (Drools, jBPM, OptaPlanner) especially meant for containerized/k8s/lightweight deployment, with support for native compilation through Quarkus.

Also you may want to take a look at our fresh new editors: they are available as VSCode extension, Chrome extension and stand-alone via bpmn.new and dmn.new :)

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by tappio » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:15 PM UTC

evacchi wrote: post #4

fulafel wrote: post #3

What does it do? Business automation platform sounds very nonspecific.

Full disclosure: I work on Kogito. This is a "rethinking" of our traditional engines (Drools, jBPM, OptaPlanner) especially meant for containerized/k8s/lightweight deployment, with support for native compilation through Quarkus. Also you may want to take a look at our fresh new editors: they are available as VSCode extension, Chrome extension and stand-alone via bpmn.new and dmn.new :)

I came across Kogito some days ago as I was looking into some alternatives for our drools based engine. I'd like to build some kind of online editor for business people to manage drm rules easily. How would one go about doing something like that with Kogito?

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by etxm » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:49 PM UTC

You’ve got to update your marketing page with some examples besides a small diagram and some java class names. I had to get all the way to mentioning drools before I knew WTF Kogito did.

BTW rules[1] is pretty good.

[1] https://github.com/jruizgit/rules

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by salawat » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 4:06 PM UTC

fulafel wrote: post #3

What does it do? Business automation platform sounds very nonspecific.

Likely a rules engine bundled with some form of business process management/modeling tool.

The rules engine is used to constrain/model the edges (transitions) of the overall graph of states within your overall business workflow finite state machine. This is generally implemented by throwing said rules engine at reams of data in the form of data validation, and inferring information from the various contexts that make up a system.

It's usually quite boring. Once you've seen a few, you've basically seen them all. The only differences boil down to the specifics of the industry, data model, and implementation of your basic frameworks.

In actual businesses there's basically maybe 4 actual software buckets that just about everything seems to end up degenerating to.

BPMA(Business Process Management/Automation, I.e. case/customer relation management, stuff related to doing business as a whole), OLTP (On-Line Transaction Processing; how you get data in), AADPETLR (Accounting, Auditing, Data Processing, Extraction, Transformation, Loading, and Reporting; what you do with all that juicy data you've collected).

All of those as I understand it may tend to end up getting combined into something called an ERP, (Enterprise Resource... Platform, I think?)

Having worked on most individual parts at one point, it's a bloody drag reimplementing the same thing over and over again in different wrappers this time. It is, however, the glue that makes basically any modern business work. The funny bit is how pretty much everyone does the same bloody thing, but bends over backwards to protect info with regards to who they are doing/sharing it with; even from their own employees.

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by tlarkworthy » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

evacchi wrote: post #4

fulafel wrote: post #3

What does it do? Business automation platform sounds very nonspecific.

Full disclosure: I work on Kogito. This is a "rethinking" of our traditional engines (Drools, jBPM, OptaPlanner) especially meant for containerized/k8s/lightweight deployment, with support for native compilation through Quarkus. Also you may want to take a look at our fresh new editors: they are available as VSCode extension, Chrome extension and stand-alone via bpmn.new and dmn.new :)

I managed to get Camunda in a severless deployment: https://www.futurice.com/blog/serverless-camunda-terraform-r... Online demo https://camunda-flxotk3pnq-ew.a.run.app/camunda-welcome/inde... I'll checkout kogito, I want something that connects with pubsub for a push workflow better

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by evacchi » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

tlarkworthy wrote: post #8

evacchi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full disclosure: I work on Kogito. This is a "rethinking" of our traditional engines (Drools, jBPM, OptaPlanner) especially meant for containerized/k8s/lightweight deployment, with support for native compilation through Quarkus. Also you may want to take a look at our fresh new editors: they are available as VSCode extension, Chrome extension and stand-alone via bpmn.new and dmn.new :)

I managed to get Camunda in a severless deployment: https://www.futurice.com/blog/serverless-camunda-terraform-r... Online demo https://camunda-flxotk3pnq-ew.a.run.app/camunda-welcome/inde... I'll checkout kogito, I want something that connects with pubsub for a push workflow better

look at our quickstarts, we support Kafka https://github.com/kiegroup/kogito-examples#kogito-with-kafk...

Re: Kogito – Cloud-based business automation platform

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Post by evacchi » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

tappio wrote: post #5

evacchi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full disclosure: I work on Kogito. This is a "rethinking" of our traditional engines (Drools, jBPM, OptaPlanner) especially meant for containerized/k8s/lightweight deployment, with support for native compilation through Quarkus. Also you may want to take a look at our fresh new editors: they are available as VSCode extension, Chrome extension and stand-alone via bpmn.new and dmn.new :)

I came across Kogito some days ago as I was looking into some alternatives for our drools based engine. I'd like to build some kind of online editor for business people to manage drm rules easily. How would one go about doing something like that with Kogito?

our online editors + a ci/cd pipeline to build Kogito services would be great. The `kogito` cli can be used to get that kind of workflow -- you can point it to a git repo with, say, a BPMN or DMN file and get a working service out of that ( well bugs aside :^) -- it's all very in flux ) take a peek here https://github.com/kiegroup/kogito-cloud-operator#deploying-...

we are updating, reorganizing and refreshing our documentation :)