The shameful lies about masks not working for civilians will kill thousands. Evidence based medicine (over the modern Bayesian Science-based medicine) has paralyzed our health officials from making common sense calls off priors. Homemade masks appear to be reasonably effective. The official response should be to make some form of improvised mask required when out of home, and ration regular mask for health care worke…
Keeping the coronavirus from infecting healthcare workers
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I recently co-authored a scientific commentary on this, ask me anything! "Promoting simple do-it-yourself masks: an urgent intervention for COVID-19 mitigation" (Svara et al. 2020) Pre-print available at https://link.medium.com/LY7RRNr2X4 Summary: "We demonstrate that widespread use of masks by the general population could be an effective strategy for slowing down the spread of COVID-19. Since surgical masks might no…
The biggest challenge is to overcome the mental block of decades of onetime use masks that have to be disposed in incinerators and be produced by ISO 9001 certified medical factories. During world war 2 it was normal to use reusable cotton masks. They just need to be put into boiling water for a few minutes to kill sars-cov-2 at 100%. You should try to get into touch with C. Drosten from Charité hospital Berlin. He r…
I was looking for information on (high) heat killing viruses such as sars-cov-2. Are you able to point to a reliable source on this?
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U.S. leaders of industry along with our political establishment have undermined American security by outsourcing the production of critical resources to an authoritarian, communist nation (China). It’s high time we wake up and hold these people accountable.
This. Something ridiculous like 95% of surgical masks and 75% of N95 masks are normally imported from China, because theirs were slightly cheaper. Almost all of them have been diverted to domestic use. Now the US, with almost no manufacturing capabilities, has doctors and nurses who are forced to use dubious improvised masks whilst China increases its international influence by selling a small fraction of its output…
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#44There is a lot of conflicting data. China went full hazmat with the influx of new healthcare workers they sent into Hubei, but Singapore and Honk Kong took significantly more measured approaches which ultimately have also been successful in limiting exposure. The US policy of 14 day quarantine for healthcare workers who had even limited exposure to a COVID patient was never sustainable and threatened to shut entire E…
You do realise it’s not eradicated in HK or Singapore ? I’m not sure why people keep talking like this is all in the past for these countries ?
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#45The shameful lies about masks not working for civilians will kill thousands. Evidence based medicine (over the modern Bayesian Science-based medicine) has paralyzed our health officials from making common sense calls off priors. Homemade masks appear to be reasonably effective. The official response should be to make some form of improvised mask required when out of home, and ration regular mask for health care worke…
I think if you're going to make a post like this, it's reasonable to expect that you present some actual evidence, or is your whole argument that we should ignore evidence? "Homemade masks appear to be reasonably effective" is hardly a compelling case.
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The biggest challenge is to overcome the mental block of decades of onetime use masks that have to be disposed in incinerators and be produced by ISO 9001 certified medical factories. During world war 2 it was normal to use reusable cotton masks. They just need to be put into boiling water for a few minutes to kill sars-cov-2 at 100%. You should try to get into touch with C. Drosten from Charité hospital Berlin. He r…
> They just need to be put into boiling water for a few minutes to kill sars-cov-2 at 100%. I was looking for information on (high) heat killing viruses such as sars-cov-2. Are you able to point to a reliable source on this?
They're not really alive, so they can't be killed. But you can destroy vital parts of them and make them unable to reproduce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturation_%28biochemistry%2...
Re: Keeping the coronavirus from infecting healthcare workers
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest challenge is to overcome the mental block of decades of onetime use masks that have to be disposed in incinerators and be produced by ISO 9001 certified medical factories. During world war 2 it was normal to use reusable cotton masks. They just need to be put into boiling water for a few minutes to kill sars-cov-2 at 100%. You should try to get into touch with C. Drosten from Charité hospital Berlin. He r…
> They just need to be put into boiling water for a few minutes to kill sars-cov-2 at 100%. I was looking for information on (high) heat killing viruses such as sars-cov-2. Are you able to point to a reliable source on this?
Hence I'd assume that boiling will be reasonably effective.
Source: WHO https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
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#48Can we all agree that outsourcing the production of critical medical supplies to China over recent decades was a bad idea? I understand the “golden arches” theory, and the intent if globalism, but I feel that COVID19 has revealed what a short sighted, deeply flawed view the globalists have.
I would argue the opposite is the case. The disease affects basically all countries, so what matters is the global supply of these goods. So we are better off if countries can specialize on their respective competitive advantages. In the scenario you propose, every country would have their own very inefficient mask industry which would now be just as or even more overwhelmed.
As an extreme example, the US continues to manufacture it's own military aircraft instead of buying from China. Even though China might be willing to sell them cheaper than we can make them.
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#49China has half the world’s manufacturing ability, a civil service selected strongly for cognitive ability, a much more diligent and capable people, and a large population. Not to mention experience in pandemics of this type. China will become zeroth world shortly. We will have to get used to them surpassing us.
As long as they’re operating concentration camps, it’s the duty of the rest of the free world to oppose them. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-concentrationca...
Re: Keeping the coronavirus from infecting healthcare workers
#50China has half the world’s manufacturing ability, a civil service selected strongly for cognitive ability, a much more diligent and capable people, and a large population. Not to mention experience in pandemics of this type. China will become zeroth world shortly. We will have to get used to them surpassing us.
As long as they’re operating concentration camps, it’s the duty of the rest of the free world to oppose them. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-concentrationca...
When china went aggressive on the virus people looked at it as draconian measures because of the ideological lens, not looking further to see the measures were absolutely necessary by scientific fact.
When Singapore started to spring into action, the western press was musing about election posturing all the while nobody prepared.
Ideology kills. We need science. And maybe then we can feel morally superior again