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Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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you should never trust telemetry or analytics to be unspoofed.

You’re suggesting there is a mass campaign to spoof Firefox telemetry and mask high levels of FTP usage?

im suggesting that everyone i know and thier mother intentionally spoofs any telemetry or analytics they can rather than block it. nothing atypical about it, it is very distinctive to comepletely block fingerprinting analytics telemetry. it is much better to spoof the content rather than block it.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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I can see many tech ppl switching over to a chromium browser because they might possibly use ftp in the future and just want to install one browser. It's those ppl that install (or even know about) FF, generally. Other than a part time dev and some testing, it's hard to see the costs of supporting ftp. It's a string of decision-making like this that has made FF drop off the list of "supported" browsers in many organi…

Chrome is also deprecating FTP so I don’t think that’ll happen. Plus Mozilla isn’t an organisation the size of Google. They have to prioritise what they’re going to support and it makes total sense to ditch FTP support. I’m a professional web developer and I’d never choose which browser I use based on whether it supports FTP. I barely ever use it, and when I do I just use FileZilla or something similar that makes muc…

Re: chrome right but this would give ppl at least one reason to use FF.

Mozilla just does a browser (at least they should only do one) so 500MM USD /year or whatever their budget is should suffice, right? [0]

I would be careful with FZ:

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezill...

[0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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I can see many tech ppl switching over to a chromium browser because they might possibly use ftp in the future and just want to install one browser. It's those ppl that install (or even know about) FF, generally. Other than a part time dev and some testing, it's hard to see the costs of supporting ftp. It's a string of decision-making like this that has made FF drop off the list of "supported" browsers in many organi…

It's not obvious to me that Mozilla is doing anything very wrong, except for not having enough money to keep their browser experience as polished as Chrome's, and most importantly, they aren't marketing like Google. Google doesn't need their browser to make money, and Google advertises their browser in ways that Mozilla can't match. It's surprising that Mozilla can even be half-healthy.

500MM USD is not enough to build- sorry maintain a browser????

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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Never happened because there was no use case for it. FTP made some sense to have in a browser because it supported unauthenticated downloads. SFTP, as a protocol which runs over SSH, basically requires authentication. (You could conceivably set up an SSH server to allow authentication against a "guest" user, but that gives security folks the heebie-jeebies.) So it doesn't really make sense to link to an SFTP resource…

That is extremely common no? Ex: checking out as an anonymous git user?

> That is extremely common no? Ex: checking out as an anonymous git user?

That almost always happens over the git protocol or git+http, not git+ssh.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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You’re suggesting there is a mass campaign to spoof Firefox telemetry and mask high levels of FTP usage?

im suggesting that everyone i know and thier mother intentionally spoofs any telemetry or analytics they can rather than block it. nothing atypical about it, it is very distinctive to comepletely block fingerprinting analytics telemetry. it is much better to spoof the content rather than block it.

Then everyone you know and particularly their mother is extremely atypical.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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You’re suggesting there is a mass campaign to spoof Firefox telemetry and mask high levels of FTP usage?

im suggesting that everyone i know and thier mother intentionally spoofs any telemetry or analytics they can rather than block it. nothing atypical about it, it is very distinctive to comepletely block fingerprinting analytics telemetry. it is much better to spoof the content rather than block it.

Since you seem to be such an expert, can you tell me how you go about spoofing Firefox's telemetry?

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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post #71

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im suggesting that everyone i know and thier mother intentionally spoofs any telemetry or analytics they can rather than block it. nothing atypical about it, it is very distinctive to comepletely block fingerprinting analytics telemetry. it is much better to spoof the content rather than block it.

Since you seem to be such an expert, can you tell me how you go about spoofing Firefox's telemetry?

have a look around github

the breadcrumbs start here:

https://gist.github.com/MrYar/751e0e5f3f1430db7ec5a8c8aa237b...

https://github.com/search?q=spoof+telemetry

if you know how to do a web search do that. if you cant then sorry about the luck.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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Since you seem to be such an expert, can you tell me how you go about spoofing Firefox's telemetry?

have a look around github the breadcrumbs start here: https://gist.github.com/MrYar/751e0e5f3f1430db7ec5a8c8aa237b... https://github.com/search?q=spoof+telemetry if you know how to do a web search do that. if you cant then sorry about the luck.

The gist talks about disabling telemetry, not spoofing it, and reading the prefs it sets makes it clear that it is actually disabling it.

The github search reports a single repository last updated three years ago, and doesn't appear to even be related to Firefox telemetry at all, as the telemetry appears to be spacecraft telemetry.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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I think FTP isn't a very good protocol anyways. HTTP and Gopher are better. (HTTP does support most of the features, including authentication, uploads, etc. The thing HTTP doesn't have is proper directory listings; I wrote a document suggesting how this could be done, calling it "httpdirlist" specification; it is a new MIME type, and then each record is a list of records (formatted like a list of HTTP headers) separa…

I'm sorry, Gopher?

Has anything outside of some incredibly archaic library system even used Gopher in the last 20 years? To me its one of those protocols that I only remember because I hope to use it to answer some trivia question someday. Right up there with Archie and Veronica.

Re: Mozilla will remove FTP support in Firefox

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Chrome is also deprecating FTP so I don’t think that’ll happen. Plus Mozilla isn’t an organisation the size of Google. They have to prioritise what they’re going to support and it makes total sense to ditch FTP support. I’m a professional web developer and I’d never choose which browser I use based on whether it supports FTP. I barely ever use it, and when I do I just use FileZilla or something similar that makes muc…

Re: chrome right but this would give ppl at least one reason to use FF. Mozilla just does a browser (at least they should only do one) so 500MM USD /year or whatever their budget is should suffice, right? [0] I would be careful with FZ: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8pdubg/filezill... [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3322912/mozillas-2017-...

This was an old version of FileZilla from 2016 from a relatively short-lived experiment when a previous incarnation of SourceForge was helping open source projects 'monetize'. There was no malware and no infection. It was an online downloader with bundleware.

FileZilla is solid software and every version has been clean. I know because I scan every release in dozens of antivirus engines via VirusTotal as part of packaging FileZilla Portable for PortableApps.com.

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