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Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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Very glad to see this on Hacker News. I had the fortune to meet her, as my dad was the architect of the new expanded hospital that opened in 1999. Amazing woman. Sydney Morning Herald obituary here : https://www.smh.com.au/national/gynaecologist-named-a-nation...

I had a chance to meet her as well, around 15 years ago, at a fundraising event for the foundation. She was the real deal. Amazing woman. Amazing dedication to a worthwhile cause.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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To find such a clear North Star in your life, and then fully commit to it, in a totally foreign culture no less, and to know your work has literally life changing impact on others overlooked by society, must feel amazing.

Meanwhile, I push pixels for a living. Sure gives you an inferiority complex.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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For those who wouldn't click the URL, I just want to state that the good doctor died at 96 possibly due to old age related complications and this story has nothing to do with COVID-19.

Is a very interesting history in any case, unrelated with covid but inspiring. For those hesitating to click, It deserves a read IMHO.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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Thank you for saving many clicks! Pandemics are a great excuse for clickbaits!

How is the title clickbait?

TBH, right now any death reported in the news is equated as a result of COVID19. At least I equate it so. Hence, it is a clickbait from my POV.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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How is the title clickbait?

TBH, right now any death reported in the news is equated as a result of COVID19. At least I equate it so. Hence, it is a clickbait from my POV.

And then folks wonder why nobody takes words like click-bait seriously anymore. It's people like you.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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> Stories like this one usually give me bunch of really uneasy thoughts and feelings. Stories like these are exactly that - stories. Nobody is a saint. Not in this world. People said the same thing about mother teresa and she turned out to be an awful person who enjoyed seeing the suffering of others. Gandhi? MLK? [insert any name of a media's "saint"]. Ultimately, we find out that they were all too human and the sai…

It does not follow that because all people are flawed that she was a monster nor does it follow that since some people have been portrayed inaccurately that she was. >The true heroes are the ordinary people who labor away in anonymity. There has never been a truly good person on the BBC or any major "news" site. This is fetishizing following different biases as being an individualist. If the mainstream press reports…

> It does not follow that because all people are flawed that she was a monster

It does not follow because you just built up a straw man. I didn't say she is a monster, I just said nobody is a saint.

"Ultimately, we find out that they were all too human and the sainthood bestowed on them by the media is bullshit."

> If the mainstream press reports 2 + 2 = 4 saying it's 17 isn't brave its a failure of analysis.

In this case, it's the media who is saying it's 17. As I pointed out, every "saint" created by the media propaganda has been shown to be far from it. From gandhi to mlk to even lincoln, hitler, mao, you get the idea.

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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Yes, information has a role everywhere, but the article only mentions a telegram and "nobody knows about these women". What did I miss?

First example: But the Hamlins knew it was both fixable and preventable - as they told Ethiopia's then ruler, Haile Selassie. "He said, why do my women get this terrible thing where they can’t control their body waste?" Dr Hamlin told the BBC. "We said, it is nothing to do with your women, it is to do with your lack of doctors in the countryside when they need to have a Caesarian section." Second example: But the Ham…

Thanks for your detailed reply. As I said, information has a role in everything, but I don't think these examples are especially about information, in the sense of an IT-worker.

1. Ethiopia's ruler needed someone credible to tell him.

2. Training a surgeon is about skill and knowledge, more than information.

3. How is opening a "College of Midwives" about information, except in the general sense that education involves information?

Re: Grief in Ethiopia as trailblazing Australian doctor dies

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It does not follow that because all people are flawed that she was a monster nor does it follow that since some people have been portrayed inaccurately that she was. >The true heroes are the ordinary people who labor away in anonymity. There has never been a truly good person on the BBC or any major "news" site. This is fetishizing following different biases as being an individualist. If the mainstream press reports…

> It does not follow that because all people are flawed that she was a monster It does not follow because you just built up a straw man. I didn't say she is a monster, I just said nobody is a saint. "Ultimately, we find out that they were all too human and the sainthood bestowed on them by the media is bullshit." > If the mainstream press reports 2 + 2 = 4 saying it's 17 isn't brave its a failure of analysis. In this…

This is shallow analysis that adds little to the discussion.

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> It does not follow that because all people are flawed that she was a monster It does not follow because you just built up a straw man. I didn't say she is a monster, I just said nobody is a saint. "Ultimately, we find out that they were all too human and the sainthood bestowed on them by the media is bullshit." > If the mainstream press reports 2 + 2 = 4 saying it's 17 isn't brave its a failure of analysis. In this…

This is shallow analysis that adds little to the discussion.

This is even shallower and adds nothing to the discussion. Perhaps we should agree to disagree in our shallowiness.

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First example: But the Hamlins knew it was both fixable and preventable - as they told Ethiopia's then ruler, Haile Selassie. "He said, why do my women get this terrible thing where they can’t control their body waste?" Dr Hamlin told the BBC. "We said, it is nothing to do with your women, it is to do with your lack of doctors in the countryside when they need to have a Caesarian section." Second example: But the Ham…

Thanks for your detailed reply. As I said, information has a role in everything, but I don't think these examples are especially about information, in the sense of an IT-worker. 1. Ethiopia's ruler needed someone credible to tell him. 2. Training a surgeon is about skill and knowledge, more than information. 3. How is opening a "College of Midwives" about information, except in the general sense that education involv…

Getting the right information to the right people is key to success. There are people as skilled and knowledgeable as these doctors who can only have great impact when they work together with information systems.
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