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Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by antpls » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:03 AM UTC

CyanBird wrote: post #51

antpls wrote: post #47

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Experts seem to rapidly change of opinion about that : https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-... Actually not sure who to trust about this anymore.

>> Editor's note (19 March 2020): Since the publication of this article, the World Health Organization has updated its advice on the official Twitter account: "Based on currently available information, WHO does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen." Yeah, messy situation, but I'll take their word and the Chinese doctors for it whom have been administering ibuprofen to measure success

Note that even if the WHO changed its recommendation, french doctors still recommend to _not_ take anti-inflammatory. Use paracetamol instead (but not more than usual). Maybe they didn't get the memo yet, I can't tell.

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by konamicode » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:25 AM UTC

ddeck wrote: post #23

narrator wrote: post #15

I wonder if the U.S is going to use these drugs or if most docs will be too conventional to use these drugs off label. "Antiviral Treatment... lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h} combined with arbidol (200 mg po ql 2h)...chloroquine phosphate can be used on adults... Interferon nebulization Darunavir/cobicistat hdarunavir/ cobicistat (1 tablet qd) or favipiravir (starting dose of 1600 mg followed by 600 mg tid)…

>I wonder if the U.S is going to use these drugs or if most docs will be too conventional to use these drugs off label. Domestic therapeutic recommendations from a number of European countries (e.g. France, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium) includes use of these medications, so I think it likely they will. e.g. Belgium: https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/Documents/Covid19/COVID-19_In...

Do you know if the other countries you mentioned have equivalent documents to the one you linked for Belgium?

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by perl4ever » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 12:52 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #68

labawi wrote: post #66

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It seems to me, you are outright dismissing paper-towels-in-trash-can approach, in both home and hospital use, no matter how it's managed, while recommending not drying or hot air dryers as a less bad substitute. Do you have any references linking paper towel (disposal) in particular, as an added risk for drug-resistant bacteria, stunting enteric infections, sick building syndrome or your other claims? > Wet paper is…

I'm extremely uncomfortable with where this conversation has gone. The official medically recommended method is dry your hands with paper towels. If you are taking care of a sick person who could die on you, following recommended procedures is the most legally defensible thing to do. If they die, you are less likely to be charged with neglect and found guilty if you can honestly say "I followed medically recommended…

I wonder how many people that have vague issues with "germs" are really allergic to mold. Which is everywhere and especially stimulated by anything damp.

Many years ago, I had a reaction to penicillin, but only recently someone said to me (not a doctor) hey, if you're allergic to penicillin, you're most likely allergic to mold.

So, a lot of what you say reminds me of my own experiences, but it may be a point of view of someone who has a sensitivity that isn't actually universal.

I definitely empathize with the sense that moisture and carpeting and stuff are toxic, and that all trash must be sealed off from living areas. But I also have lived with people who didn't follow the same rules, and they didn't have the same problems, which points to the issue not being living style alone.

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by DoreenMichele » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 2:43 AM UTC

perl4ever wrote: post #73

DoreenMichele wrote: post #68

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I'm extremely uncomfortable with where this conversation has gone. The official medically recommended method is dry your hands with paper towels. If you are taking care of a sick person who could die on you, following recommended procedures is the most legally defensible thing to do. If they die, you are less likely to be charged with neglect and found guilty if you can honestly say "I followed medically recommended…

I wonder how many people that have vague issues with "germs" are really allergic to mold. Which is everywhere and especially stimulated by anything damp. Many years ago, I had a reaction to penicillin, but only recently someone said to me (not a doctor) hey, if you're allergic to penicillin, you're most likely allergic to mold. So, a lot of what you say reminds me of my own experiences, but it may be a point of view…

I have a genetic disorder. So, yes, I'm unusually sensitive to a lot of things.

I used to know a guy online who swore he had zero allergies. He started every day with boatloads of coffee and ended everyday with boatloads of wine.

Uppers in the morning -- like caffeine -- and downers at night so they can sleep -- like alcohol -- is a standard treatment for allergies. I suspect he had undiagnosed allergies and maybe could have acted like less of an alcoholic if the allergies were identified and properly treated, starting with the standard practice of trying to avoid triggers as much as possible.

The older I get, the more skeptical I am that other people are as different from me as they claim and as the world claims. I don't think it's actually good for anyone to be around rotting trash, etc.

But, certainly, when someone is especially vulnerable, we should make an effort to be more careful about such things. As I get healthier, I'm more able to tolerate "normal" things.

Meanwhile, the entire world is very suddenly embracing practices I have long pursued while everyone pointed and laughed and called me crazy. It seems the world's cavalier attitude about how such things don't matter if you aren't defective like me is catching up to it and there's hell to pay.

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Post by Fjolsvith » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 5:16 AM UTC

anon012012 wrote: post #54

est wrote: post #10

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There's a Chinese tutorial of how to make ~n90 grade masks with HEPA and SMS non-woven fabric. https://www.zhihu.com/question/367499169/answer/996640281

I'm sorry if it's slightly off topic, but could we 3D print plastic masks? It seems they could at least protect from the biggest droplets. Better than nothing, I would say. Even we could create a transparent full facial mask, protecting the eyes.

Here is an open-source 3D mask model:

https://www.3dnatives.com/en/mask-against-covid-19-180320205...