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Those tiny square alcohol prep pads (e.g. for diabetics and others who need daily injections) are sold out everywhere. I suspect people who couldn't find hand sanitizer or Clorox just grabbed whatever sanitizing products they could.
I clean stuff with them. I don’t want water and some antibacterial agent, I just want some nice alcohol.
Chloroquine, past and present
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Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#182We definitely want more studies, but IMO we're reaching a tipping point. We have anecdotal evidence from China and South Korea, and this quite flawed, but at least data-containing study from France. Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. COVID isn't quite as bad as c…
The study from France seems to suck, though. Not very valuable data. They measured virus, not outcomes, they measured virus in the throat, not the lungs, the starting point was not the start of the disease but some later (more arbitrary) point in time, the two groups were not randomly assigned and the study wasn’t really blind. It could be that they just happened to compare two groups where the treatment group was fu…
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#183Also take a look at thymoquinone, which supposedly inhibits mouse coronavirus, which is very similar to SARS-coronavirus. The effects of Nigella sativa (Ns), Anthemis hyalina (Ah) and Citrus sinensis (Cs) extracts on the replication of coronavirus and the expression of TRP genes family https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933739/ Thymoquinone is also generally protective of lung health in several models: htt…
Pardon the dumb question, but has anyone just tried quinine? I've been wondering if a hefty gin and tonic would help matters.
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the 26th February, in an interview, one of the researchers behind the French study said that he wasn't worried about Covid-19 and that it was just a flu...
Do you have a link?
1st February: https://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/le-professeur-didier-raoult-ce-...
"This coronavirus isn't so bad"
26th February: http://m.lamarseillaise.fr/analyses-de-la-redaction/decrypta...
"The coronavirus isn't more dangerous than seasonal flu."
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#185We definitely want more studies, but IMO we're reaching a tipping point. We have anecdotal evidence from China and South Korea, and this quite flawed, but at least data-containing study from France. Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. COVID isn't quite as bad as c…
> Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. The FDA's Office of new drugs is split into divisions (dermatology, oncology etc) and the different divisions have different approval criteria as you mention. From my Onco friends' PoV, cancer patients are pretty much assumed…
For those not understanding the jargon (like myself).
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#186We definitely want more studies, but IMO we're reaching a tipping point. We have anecdotal evidence from China and South Korea, and this quite flawed, but at least data-containing study from France. Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. COVID isn't quite as bad as c…
Agree with all except wondering what you mean by the safety profile being not great? It's been around for 70 years, taken by millions over very long periods of time with relatively minimal negative side effects.
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#187Also take a look at thymoquinone, which supposedly inhibits mouse coronavirus, which is very similar to SARS-coronavirus. The effects of Nigella sativa (Ns), Anthemis hyalina (Ah) and Citrus sinensis (Cs) extracts on the replication of coronavirus and the expression of TRP genes family https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933739/ Thymoquinone is also generally protective of lung health in several models: htt…
Pardon the dumb question, but has anyone just tried quinine? I've been wondering if a hefty gin and tonic would help matters.
Commercial tonic is limited by federal law to 20mg per 8 oz, so I make my own tonic.
It would be much much better and would likely stop this whole problem if we'd just mail prophylactic doses of HCQ to the whole population instead of mailing a $1500 check to everyone like they've decided instead.
It's very humorous how people look at tropical countries that still have widespread HCQ use for anti-malaria and announce that they must be undercounting cases since their reported numbers are far too low. No, their numbers are not too low. It's just a lot of people in these regions are essentially vaccinated.
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#188We definitely want more studies, but IMO we're reaching a tipping point. We have anecdotal evidence from China and South Korea, and this quite flawed, but at least data-containing study from France. Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. COVID isn't quite as bad as c…
The half life is 2 months. Any bad reaction will linger. Compared to antibiotics with a 8 hour half life. Lets stay home instead.
Stop spreading FUD
Re: Chloroquine, past and present
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Chloroquine's safety profile isn't great, but the safety profile of COVID is way worse. If you look at Chemotherapy for example, one would never take any of those drugs unless you had cancer. The FDA's Office of new drugs is split into divisions (dermatology, oncology etc) and the different divisions have different approval criteria as you mention. From my Onco friends' PoV, cancer patients are pretty much assumed…
1. it's prescription only. 2. it's already available for compassionate use. The FDA is allowing chloroquine and remdesivir to be used for 'compassionate use' to treat the coronavirus. https://www.businessinsider.com/chloroquine-remdesivir-compa...
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, and I'm looking at the aggregate data in the last two graphs, and also the big table. HCQ + AZ was the only group with clearance for all after six days. It was also the smaller of the two groups, which makes it hard to give any weight to the finding. But there are many other features of this study that make the result hard to interpret.
Great that we’re looking at the same study! I’m not sure what you mean by: “No patient was cleared of virus after six days using hydroxychloroquine alone.“ Because the percentages there are 57% Of patients on HCQ alone we’re cleared, vs 12% control.