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Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by blhack »

jshevek wrote: post #87
blhack wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean and disrespect to you as a physician, but there appear to be many experts who disagree with you to the point of acting out their disagreement at scale. Chloroquine has become a standard part of treatment for this disease in several countries, and its continued use seems to imply its efficacy.

> there appear to be many experts who disagree with you to the point of acting out their disagreement at scale. Chloroquine has become a standard part of treatment for this disease in several countries, and its continued use seems to imply its efficacy. The fact that experts agree that this drug should be used doesn't mean they agree that it is miraculous. And this certainly doesn't suggest they disagree with the par…

It seems like such a strange nit to pick here over my use of the term miraculous. I don’t know what else you would call the results of the study I linked (supported by the reaction of many national health orgs). Yeah, maybe this isn’t the cure to this disease, and of course we need more testing, but the result as reported are incredibly hopeful. It seems to have hit a nerve with some people that I used the term “miraculous”, but I will continue to defend that term. We are looking at a virus that has disrupted the global order. Here is a study claiming incredible efficacy. That isn’t a miracle in the divine sense, but if definitely reports as being extremely helpful during a dire need.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by lithiumfrost »

morninglight wrote: post #100

Starting back in the 60's, hundreds of thousands of Americans serving in the military and peace corps in areas with malaria were given daily chloroquine for extented periods of time. Think Vietnam. How long does it take to evaluate safety?

It’s prescribed here in Canada, but at least in Alberta, the prescription goes along with annual in-depth retina screening to catch retinal toxicity before there’s permanent vision loss. It’s ok, but there’s a reason it’s not available over the counter.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by Etheryte »

DanBC wrote: post #11
Etheryte wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't find the thread right now, but someone did a back of the napkin calculation that you'd need to have 200 gin tonics a day to reach any kind of a reasonable level.

Is this the thread? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22602008

Yeah, that's the one. Thanks for sharing it.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by Spare_account »

jessaustin wrote: post #18
turndown wrote: post #5

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Considering there is no edit on the original post, the answer has been in it since you asked the question.

How can we tell if HN comments have been edited? [I have now edited... but please don't say "I see that you added something in brackets"]

I see no indication that you've edited it.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by tim333 »

morninglight wrote: post #100

Starting back in the 60's, hundreds of thousands of Americans serving in the military and peace corps in areas with malaria were given daily chloroquine for extented periods of time. Think Vietnam. How long does it take to evaluate safety?

Not sure they are testing that. Efficacy is more questionable.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by tim333 »

jacquesm wrote: post #40

WARNING: To all those who are reading threads like these and intend to self medicate: you should not do this unless you are medically qualified or have a doctor prescribe you whatever medication might help. The risk of side effects is substantial and there is a reason many countries keep quack laws on the book to go after those who practice medicine without a license. Medical advice should be given by doctors and wha…

I don't totally buy the never take medicine without a doctor bit. I mean lots of people do with paracetamol and the like. Some common sense is required.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by tim333 »

roenxi wrote: post #19

I wonder if there is a point where literally everyone just gets a dose of chloroquine. My understanding is it stops the virus replicating and so is almost a preventative rather than a treatment.

They have actually done that in times past with chloroquine for malaria. It actually worked sort of ok but overuse tended to create resistance.

I'm pondered if a mass use for covid would work. I think it's probably too unproven and covid to small a percentage of the population to make dosing everyone a good idea. What I would try if I were running things is bulk testing and giving people a chloroquine type med straight off if they were positive.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jshevek »

blhack wrote: post #111
jshevek wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there appear to be many experts who disagree with you to the point of acting out their disagreement at scale. Chloroquine has become a standard part of treatment for this disease in several countries, and its continued use seems to imply its efficacy. The fact that experts agree that this drug should be used doesn't mean they agree that it is miraculous. And this certainly doesn't suggest they disagree with the par…

It seems like such a strange nit to pick here over my use of the term miraculous. I don’t know what else you would call the results of the study I linked (supported by the reaction of many national health orgs). Yeah, maybe this isn’t the cure to this disease, and of course we need more testing, but the result as reported are incredibly hopeful. It seems to have hit a nerve with some people that I used the term “mira…

You were wrong when you presented alleged evidence/argument that experts must necessarily disagree with the MD/statistician, above.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jessaustin »

Spare_account wrote: post #115
jessaustin wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we tell if HN comments have been edited? [I have now edited... but please don't say "I see that you added something in brackets"]

I see no indication that you've edited it.

Yes this contradicts GP claim that it's possible for HN users to tell whether comments have been edited.
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