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New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

If the Post is to be believed they are just moving to the Hamptons and socializing - https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-should-blow-up-the-bridges-...

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Legally, does the state and federal goverment have the power to control the movement of people? Does the state have the power to control my movement from my own home to the end of the street for my daily walk?

The answer to this question is always yes regardless of the government in dire circumstances. That's why there are some of these laws on the books for quarantine in the first place from 1918.

That being said, it's a big scary step and there are lots of little steps likely to be taken before we get that far. You can see this in action in Italy.

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Even if people meet socially outside of work, they still aren't _required_ to go to work. Which means a lot of people can practice social distancing. People are scared, many will avoid groups (others may throw parties, but can't help that). I know in my neighborhood, everyone is outside but we are all maintaining 2 meter distance. Some neighbors even brought up their grills and stayed seperate but can talk (at a dist…

> but can't help that

They're fining (~$140) and detaining people who don't follow the rules in France.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3...

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Legally, does the state and federal goverment have the power to control the movement of people? Does the state have the power to control my movement from my own home to the end of the street for my daily walk?

Yes, this is a long-recognized aspect of the states’ police power.

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Legally, does the state and federal goverment have the power to control the movement of people? Does the state have the power to control my movement from my own home to the end of the street for my daily walk?

Of course they have the power: they have the guns. That's not the real question; the real questions are 1) whether the populace will tolerate it, and how much; 2) whether the state's forces will willingly open fire on intolerant citizens; 3) whether the state chooses to use the power, whether legal or not.

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Even if people meet socially outside of work, they still aren't _required_ to go to work. Which means a lot of people can practice social distancing. People are scared, many will avoid groups (others may throw parties, but can't help that). I know in my neighborhood, everyone is outside but we are all maintaining 2 meter distance. Some neighbors even brought up their grills and stayed seperate but can talk (at a dist…

People are still having 200+ person weddings in Williamsburg as of this week. Absolutely crazy to me as a resident of the neighborhood:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-broo...

"Concern over the spread of coronavirus in Hasidic communities had already been raised by a series of large weddings held this week. On Tuesday, the Fire Department broke up one wedding celebration in Williamsburg that had more than 200 guests."

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

I've driven past a park yesterday, five miles away from the center of the outbreak in the US.

It was packed to the grills with schoolchildren in the playground, and their parents watching.

People aren't taking the rules seriously until you shut things down.

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Legally, does the state and federal goverment have the power to control the movement of people? Does the state have the power to control my movement from my own home to the end of the street for my daily walk?

>Legally, does the state and federal goverment have the power to control the movement of people?

Yes and no. I was curious, too.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/mass-quarantine-lockdown...

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Heck I saw people on HN say California is overreacting...

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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There is currently no plan in place to penalize individuals for gathering socially Then people won't take the rules seriously. Lots of people in this country still don't believe or understand how much damage this virus can inflict.

Cuomo is a pragmatist above all else. The mission is flatten the curve. If some asshole decides to have a party and get people sick, that is awful, but the 10 other people who follow the rules will be at lower risk.

Instead of the California approach, where you say "don't this, except for reasons 1 ... n", he's attacking the demand side. You can go out, but you don't have anywhere to go.

All of the problems get worse if you make people panic. My buddy who lives in northern upstate NY was just telling me about all of the people "bugging out" and taking their RVs up to the Adirondacks. If you tell people it's martial law, people will flee NYC Metro for wherever.

The other thing is that people will always be out. How do you deal with homeless people? Arrest them? How do you deal with people who claim to be medical people? How do you identify Trader Joe's employees? Are the police going to setup roadblocks? How do the police maintain a rosette stone of who is worthy of travel and who isnt?

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