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Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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>What exactly is the plan? Are we expecting that individuals who disagree with their regimes would leave their country and their families? It just feels like cold blooded retribution with no care for the regular every day population. That it will impact the country economically and hopefully result in the Government changing coarse or for the People of the country to not want to live in a shitty place with a poor eco…

That sounds good in theory, but in reality you end up with worse outcomes than doing nothing: a) The target country just allows their citizens to feel the brunt of the sanctions while the ruling class hoards resources for themselves. b) The target country starts a propaganda campaign to blame the sanction-issuer for all their problems, which the citizens mostly believe. So ultimately you end up with regular-Joe citiz…

> The target country starts a propaganda campaign to blame the sanction-issuer for all their problems, which the citizens mostly believe

Because it's at least partly true. They are the ones issuing the sanctions.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Flagging this account was obviously a terrible mistake, and I apologize to anyone who was affected by it. We're investigating why it occurred and will make changes to make sure it doesn't happen again. I am glad that we restored access to the account in less than an hour after Aurelia filed their appeal. For context on why any account flagging is ever necessary, unfortunately, every comp…

How would this have been resolved if the post on Twitter/other social media didn't get enough traction? Is this just a terrible mistake because it has much more visibility than all of the other terrible mistakes?

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Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Flagging this account was obviously a terrible mistake, and I apologize to anyone who was affected by it. We're investigating why it occurred and will make changes to make sure it doesn't happen again. I am glad that we restored access to the account in less than an hour after Aurelia filed their appeal. For context on why any account flagging is ever necessary, unfortunately, every comp…

GitHub, DROP ICE!

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Flagging this account was obviously a terrible mistake, and I apologize to anyone who was affected by it. We're investigating why it occurred and will make changes to make sure it doesn't happen again. I am glad that we restored access to the account in less than an hour after Aurelia filed their appeal. For context on why any account flagging is ever necessary, unfortunately, every comp…

Do you believe that trade regulations such as ITAR apply to publicly-available open source software? I do not¹, and it appears that your employees do not believe this either. GitHub is currently hosting multiple GPS implementations² that are clearly against this line in your ToS, in addition to also being against ITAR by not implementing speed limits for missiles: "GitHub may not be used for purposes prohibited under…

ITAR absolutely, without a doubt, applies to open source projects. Giving the code away confers no immunity.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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So you are just simply advocating for living a criminal life. Got it.

I'm sorry, what? Nothing suggested was criminal.

Not following export laws is criminal.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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> Indeed, there's no need to frame this as a moral question, and it's arguably foolish to do so. It is and should be only a question of policy, politics, and constitutional law. Morality drives the shaping of all three of those things, so framing it as a question of morality is unavoidable if one wants to do something other than the status quo (which is "A private service provider may choose to do business with or re…

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Which is going to need to be acceptable, because the alternative is much worse. The backstop is to keep checks on those who hold power.

And if no such checks can be kept, then whether we consider deplatforming acceptable is irrelevant, because the powerful will do whatever they want regardless.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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This is pure speculation, but it seems that GitHub's ownership by Microsoft causes them to be significantly more strict with the types of content that they are comfortable hosting. Expect this to continue as they expand up and down the stack; once their npm acquisition closes you'll see this there too. I think this should be a wake-up call to anyone staking their open source project on GitHub — if I let someone from…

Nobody should depend on GitHub, especially after it was taken over by Microsoft. If you have any repository on GH, create similar accounts on competing sites such as bitbucket. Also consider services hosted in other countries, since it seems that local political prejudices and propaganda are starting to creep out on the science and technology arena.

What other company was better suited to take over? Google? FB? Amazon? None of them... MS is the only company I would trust at this point.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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post #143

Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Flagging this account was obviously a terrible mistake, and I apologize to anyone who was affected by it. We're investigating why it occurred and will make changes to make sure it doesn't happen again. I am glad that we restored access to the account in less than an hour after Aurelia filed their appeal. For context on why any account flagging is ever necessary, unfortunately, every comp…

Do you believe that trade regulations such as ITAR apply to publicly-available open source software? I do not¹, and it appears that your employees do not believe this either. GitHub is currently hosting multiple GPS implementations² that are clearly against this line in your ToS, in addition to also being against ITAR by not implementing speed limits for missiles: "GitHub may not be used for purposes prohibited under…

ITAR undeniably applies to software.

Whether it's open source or not is irrelevant. ITAR software cannot legally live on GitHub.com in any case -- it doesn't matter if the repos are public or private. [But a GitHub Enterprise install (self-hosted version only) can be compliant.]

I'm confused by your request for the company's stance, since it's not something up for debate... there is no room for them to take a stance on complying with the law. It's not up to GitHub at all.

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