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Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by tanilama »

blhack wrote: post #24

To those who aren't aware of it, there was a recently completed (small) clinical study of hydroxychloroquine (and in some cases HCQ plus z-pack) just completed in France. The results are here: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20... They're miraculous. This is a well-studied, mass-produced drug which has been around for 70 years and appears to be highly effective at treating this virus.

Worth mentioning that, with China/Korea, now France deploys this drug to frontlines, in the best case scenario, which is the South Korea case, the death rate still sets at 1%, so still 10 times more lethal than flu.

We all want a miracle, but we need to be cautious about it.

I am more curious right now as whether this drug can work as a preventative medication for high risk individual to lower the chance for getting infected, TBH. That will help the medical stuff greatly.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by habosa »

sunseb wrote: post #29
blhack wrote: post #24

To those who aren't aware of it, there was a recently completed (small) clinical study of hydroxychloroquine (and in some cases HCQ plus z-pack) just completed in France. The results are here: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20... They're miraculous. This is a well-studied, mass-produced drug which has been around for 70 years and appears to be highly effective at treating this virus.

[Message deleted because I agree I cannot backup my claim and I may be wrong.]

Can you explain more about this?

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by prostheticvamp »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #30
blhack wrote: post #24

To those who aren't aware of it, there was a recently completed (small) clinical study of hydroxychloroquine (and in some cases HCQ plus z-pack) just completed in France. The results are here: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20... They're miraculous. This is a well-studied, mass-produced drug which has been around for 70 years and appears to be highly effective at treating this virus.

>They're miraculous. Where are you seeing that? Because what I see is a very non-rigorous, non-randomized study. Also, what about this part: >A total of 26 patients received hydroxychloroquine and 16 were control patients. Six hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were lost in follow-up during the survey because of early cessation of treatment. Reasons are as follows: three patients were transferred to intensive care u…

Medical doctor and statistician weighing in just to say: I agree fully with what you wrote. No miracles observed.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by WalterSear »

LinuxBender wrote: post #2

An alternate zinc ionophore with less side effects is Quercetin [1] [2] which some people here already take for other reasons, myself included. It is most beneficial if being taken prior to infection to slow the RNA transcoding process by getting more zinc into the cells, assuming one is not deficient in zinc to begin with. I mention this because by the time someone is talking to a doctor, the virus has likely alread…

It's also useful in conjunction with chloroquine:

> In conclusion, our study strongly suggests co administration of antioxidant flavonoid like quercetin along with CQ for antimalarial therapy. This is particularly important when CQ is administered as long-term prophylactic treatment for malaria as chronic exposure has shown to be resulting in higher dose level of drug in the body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625570/

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by prostheticvamp »

blhack wrote: post #22
fab1an wrote: post #16

A word of warning to all who consider stocking up on and self-medicating with Chloroquine: while this is a well-studied medicine, it can have severe side effects, particularly in the eyes (including blindness). That said, let's hope it has some effect as current anecdata suggests.

It's not anecdata. There was a small clinical study which was just completed, and showed almost miraculous success with hydroxychloroquine. https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20...

Nope, not a miracle, top comment takes it apart.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by fudged71 »

Xunxi wrote: post #6

What will the effect of drinking quinine tonic be as a preventative measure?

It's as if nobody here has considered that Tonic Syrup is widely available (see any Sodastream aisle at a store) for concentrated quinine https://theginisin.com/tonic-tags/tonic-syrup/

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by batmansmk »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #30
blhack wrote: post #24

To those who aren't aware of it, there was a recently completed (small) clinical study of hydroxychloroquine (and in some cases HCQ plus z-pack) just completed in France. The results are here: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20... They're miraculous. This is a well-studied, mass-produced drug which has been around for 70 years and appears to be highly effective at treating this virus.

>They're miraculous. Where are you seeing that? Because what I see is a very non-rigorous, non-randomized study. Also, what about this part: >A total of 26 patients received hydroxychloroquine and 16 were control patients. Six hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were lost in follow-up during the survey because of early cessation of treatment. Reasons are as follows: three patients were transferred to intensive care u…

Exactly! Reading the study, I don't see any hard evidence. Sounds like the next Forsythia.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by bsaul »

sunseb wrote: post #29
blhack wrote: post #24

To those who aren't aware of it, there was a recently completed (small) clinical study of hydroxychloroquine (and in some cases HCQ plus z-pack) just completed in France. The results are here: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/20... They're miraculous. This is a well-studied, mass-produced drug which has been around for 70 years and appears to be highly effective at treating this virus.

[Message deleted because I agree I cannot backup my claim and I may be wrong.]

Yeah, you’ll need some serious source to backup this claim. Having a deal with a lab from the same country, that produces a drug you’ve been studying for decades in your lab and hospital isn’t something that justifies dumping on someone’s reputation. Especially if the person in question looks like he has enough papers published to justify his claims.

Ps: i do agree that his tone and style looks unorthodox. But results is the only thing we should care about.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by protomyth »

overcast wrote: post #10
Etheryte wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't find the thread right now, but someone did a back of the napkin calculation that you'd need to have 200 gin tonics a day to reach any kind of a reasonable level.

If I have to stay in the same house for the next 3 months, I might come to that.

I will say that on a number of people I am calling to do orders or follow-up before we close, that I have heard a large amount of children in the backgrounds. Lot of apologizing which isn't really needed, but I guess it is a bit different for folks and some of them might be ready to do gin experiments soon.

I do answer their survey that they all are very professional.

Re: Bayer donates 3M chloroquine phosphate tablets for potential Covid-19 treatment

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Post by jacquesm »

WARNING: To all those who are reading threads like these and intend to self medicate: you should not do this unless you are medically qualified or have a doctor prescribe you whatever medication might help. The risk of side effects is substantial and there is a reason many countries keep quack laws on the book to go after those who practice medicine without a license.

Medical advice should be given by doctors and what works for someone else may not work for you (be ineffective), cause side effects of all degrees of severity. Note that the original title includes the word 'potential'.

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