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Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by worble »

fartcannon wrote: post #54
coliveira wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should depend on GitHub, especially after it was taken over by Microsoft. If you have any repository on GH, create similar accounts on competing sites such as bitbucket. Also consider services hosted in other countries, since it seems that local political prejudices and propaganda are starting to creep out on the science and technology arena.

Better yet, self host. Post RSS feeds.

Absolutely agree with this, and if Gitlab's hardware requirements seem a little expensive, I can highly recommend Gitea[0]. It runs very happily on a $5 Digital Ocean droplet. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but for my basic needs, and presumably as a panic backup, it's a great bit of software.

[0]https://gitea.io/en-us/

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by jhare »

tastroder wrote: post #48

Let's take a moment and appreciate the copy and paste support response "If a user or organization believes that they have been flagged in error, then that user or organization owner has the opportunity to appeal the flag by providing verification information to GitHub. Please see our FAQ for the appeals request form." https://twitter.com/GitHubHelp/status/1240682163193942018 Is that an official GH account? It's old a…

This and this.

Next thing you know they'll require a Windows Live login to make that appeal. Github used to be good. What a waste.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

woofcat wrote: post #57
vasco wrote: post #44

Sanctions for online services are one of the worst things about working in this industry. Being forced to implement and maintain technical solutions to block access to every day citizens of certain regions because some guys in suits decided these are second tier humans is demoralizing as hell. How are people supposed to rise up and depose or vote for less tyranical governments if they cannot access information, or us…

>What exactly is the plan? Are we expecting that individuals who disagree with their regimes would leave their country and their families? It just feels like cold blooded retribution with no care for the regular every day population. That it will impact the country economically and hopefully result in the Government changing coarse or for the People of the country to not want to live in a shitty place with a poor eco…

Ostensibly.

But the reality is probably more like the top levels of governments bullying, and they don’t give a flying fuck about the impacts on the average citizen.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by xvector »

dwheeler wrote: post #52

This looks like a terrible but honest mistake. The repo is already back, after something like an hour and a half. The . io website is not back yet, but I suspect that takes a moment to get back running.

It doesn’t matter if it’s an honest mistake, this sort of action alongside the canned HR response is completely unacceptable. Honest mistakes don’t exempt your actions from being disgusting.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by Alir3z4 »

woofcat wrote: post #69
Joker_vD wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, the idea is that those "Crimean or Iranian" would get pissed off at their government and revolt. Which, as the practice shows, doesn't quite work taht way. They get pissed off at the sanctioning government as well, and are less likely to believe that that government actually worries about their interests and rights and not, say, as using them as a free battering ram against their current government/regime…

However what's the alternative? Country 'A' would like to build a weapon of mass destruction. Country 'B' asks them nicely to not do that. They ignore the request and continue building the technology. At that point you can either do the following: - Ignore it and hope they don't destabilize the region / world. - Economic and Trade sanctions to slow down their progress, and impact the economy of the country. - Physica…

Country B is the one having many weapon of mass destruction and used it 2 times already.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by cfv »

Without even delving on the perverse sanctions part, it should never be forgotten that the whole point of git is that it's a distributed source control system. Grab your source and move it elsewhere. Heck, even an old forked gitlab community instance should work.

Github is good for the exposure, but it's their house, and so their rules apply, not ours. Don't rely on them to always be OK with you staying.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by mullingitover »

Isn't this a first amendment violation? Are we not on board with the notion that code is speech, and that the constitution applies to everyone, not just US citizens?

With those things in mind, I don't understand how the Iranian peoples' free speech rights can be infringed just because their speech is in the form of code.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

woofcat wrote: post #69
Joker_vD wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, the idea is that those "Crimean or Iranian" would get pissed off at their government and revolt. Which, as the practice shows, doesn't quite work taht way. They get pissed off at the sanctioning government as well, and are less likely to believe that that government actually worries about their interests and rights and not, say, as using them as a free battering ram against their current government/regime…

However what's the alternative? Country 'A' would like to build a weapon of mass destruction. Country 'B' asks them nicely to not do that. They ignore the request and continue building the technology. At that point you can either do the following: - Ignore it and hope they don't destabilize the region / world. - Economic and Trade sanctions to slow down their progress, and impact the economy of the country. - Physica…

It’s a nice app example in theory, but can you point to any examples where this is working in practice?

Iran doesn’t count because they were / are complying but the US is a bully.

North Korea is a good example of sanctions not working in every way that matters.

Re: GitHub shuts off access to Aurelia repository, citing trade sanctions

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Post by tw04 »

vetinari wrote: post #50
tw04 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's not an idealists view of how the world works. So you think if you're in Japan that NTT is going to risk losing ALL of their US contracts for a random home user that's violating US sanctions? Good luck with that. Just because you aren't in US jurisdictions doesn't mean your ISP doesn't make a LOT of money off the US market. Not to mention the mass exodus of customers if they were banned from all US based con…

Does not work that way. How do you think Iran and North Korea are connected to Internet in the first place? For NTT and US, such a situation would be a PR disaster. It would be very difficult for them to explain to the public, why they are applying foreign laws to Japanese citizens. Even US knows that, and they would never push for such draconian thing.

> Does not work that way. How do you think Iran and North Korea are connected to Internet in the first place?

It literally works that way. North Korea is connected through China Unicom, and China doesn't recognize the North Korean sanctions.

Iran's internet access isn't part of the current sanctions.

>OFAC or the State Department may also impose so-called “secondary sanctions” on non-US companies, even with no US nexus to the activity. Under secondary sanctions, a non-US company may be restricted from US markets or the US financial system if it engages in certain conduct related to Iran, Russia, or North Korea.

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