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Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by dmilotz »

aziom23 wrote: post #21
gdilla wrote: post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

Did the US pay reparations to essentially all the nations for the 1918 flu? This originated among cattle in Kansas, and killed 50 million people: more than WW1 and WW2 combined.

Do you have sources for such a claim?

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by tathougies »

geogra4 wrote: post #38
tathougies wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if it turns out a poor country lied and imprisoned doctors attempting to disseminate facts, then yes, they ought to be punished internationally.. We shouldn't punish China for simply having the virus. That could happen to anyone. But lying about it on the world stage for months, imprisoning whistleblower doctors, etc is reprehensible behavior.

Links to this?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-it-all-started-chinas-early...

China misled WHO into thinking the virus wasn't contagious up until Jan 20. On Jan 14th, WHO (https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152) said the virus wasn't contagious on twitter.

China arrested scientist whistleblowers. https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblo...

To top it all off, China attempted to blame the united states for it. https://qz.com/1817736/china-fuels-coronavirus-conspiracy-th...

The Atlantic has a thorough article as well. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trol...

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by lorenzfx »

dmilotz wrote: post #51
aziom23 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the US pay reparations to essentially all the nations for the 1918 flu? This originated among cattle in Kansas, and killed 50 million people: more than WW1 and WW2 combined.

Do you have sources for such a claim?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_t...

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by Natsu »

knzhou wrote: post #39
MikeHolman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defnitely not the official stance, but Lijian Zhao (China Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry) tweeted "It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan." https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

Just as Tom Cotton (Senator from Arkansas) declared on Fox news that it was a Chinese bioweapon. All governments have wingnuts.

I think it's clearly not a bioweapon, and there would be no benefit to China for releasing it, but it's exactly the sort of thing that lab was investigating, so part of me wonders if there wasn't a leak of a research sample. Even if it were so, I would never blame all Chinese people for it.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by mc32 »

jobseeker990 wrote: post #50
mc32 wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

The UN should pass a resolution. 100% global sanctions on any country that allows these.

I don’t think you can force something like that on poor countries without a plan for compensation and restructuring some of their food production and distribution.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by cadmuxe »

quicklime wrote: post #29
gdilla wrote: post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

A lot of countries did a poor job of the initial handling of the outbreak, which is why we're in this mess right now. If we're going to demand reparations from countries for a cover-up and exacerbating the situation, it shouldn't be limited to just China.

People are blaming China didn't do proper job in the initial one month, but ignore what US did barely nothing in the following two months with knowing it's a dangerous virus.

And also they think one organization can know everything and recognize a global Pandemic just with a few cases. Oh man, if this kind of decision maker existed, We should do whatever we can to bring him/her to the coding industry. We will have bug-free softwares with his/her insight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fl7m3z/the_fir...

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by _6fmb »

gdilla wrote: post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

WHO has commended China for their transparency... your statement is the opposite of reality.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Everyone ought to be really aware, before trying to overascribe this to particular groups of people, that the US is nearing a massive problem from Chronic Wasting Disease which could be a 100% currently fatal human-to-human retransmissible prion. We are currently mismanaging to it, and given the environmental persistence and difficulties destroying prions, could put this to shame.

The most recent H1N1 influenza (2009) which has been widely in the news originated in N. America (Mexico or US). The first "Spanish" flu H1N1 cases were in Kansas in 1917.

China should deal with wet markets with wild game. They are a profoundly dangerous environment for zoonotic crossover. It a good bet there will be changes since China had such a close brush with collapse. Nobody should think this is unique to China since it's false and unhelpful.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by knzhou »

ktln2 wrote: post #45
btilly wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't spread conspiracy theories without linking to a reliable source.

In China, you are not allowed to talk about Wuhan as the source of outbreak anymore [1]. A prominent microbiologist is forced to apologize after saying the virus was originated Wuhan seafood market and blaming the culture of eating wild animals[2]. The whole country is trying to shape US as the source of virus, at least on Chinese social media. 1. https://www.ft.com/content/d420ce18-641f-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea6... 2. htt…

> A prominent microbiologist is forced to apologize

Uh, from the literal headline of the article itself, the apology is probably because he blamed it on, quote, "inferior Chinese culture".

And obviously you already knew that. So you're just trying to push a narrative here.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Post by dmilotz »

lorenzfx wrote: post #53
dmilotz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have sources for such a claim?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_t...

The above claim that it started in Kansas is one hypothesis among many others. This is another hypothesis from the same wikipedia section: "In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China."
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