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Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

I mean, this is basically sanctions, right? I guess I would prefer those in charge to weigh the value of holding people responsible vs the chaos that sanctions on China would bring.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

We can only hope so. Unfortunately animal agriculture as it currently exists is just as dangerous (e.g. chicken CAFOs breeding bird flu). IMO we need to rethink meat production altogether. Meat production needs to be environmentally conscious, health/epidemiologically conscious and at least minimally animal welfare conscious and the price of meat should reflect that all of that extra work is being done.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't spread conspiracy theories without linking to a reliable source.

Defnitely not the official stance, but Lijian Zhao (China Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry) tweeted "It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan." https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

Yes. Highly placed individuals promote conspiracy theories. Given our President's past behavior on Twitter, we are in no position to criticize.

However the official conclusion of China that I have seen matches the international community - this started in a wet market in China.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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what makes these wet markets different to similar cases in Africa where "bush meat" is consumed? Is it just an equal risk in China as it is in Africa or is there something unique about China (e.g. climate, lack of oversight, central planning)? Or is it just the news cycle and that we choose focus on China right now since the recent bird flu and SARS being fresh in memory? whoever wrote this must have felt like a mode…

“Wet market” is like combination slaughter house and grocery store where floor never dries from constantly hosing down fluids. It’s not sanitary.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

How about this. Next time this happens, instantaneous travel and trade ban. Full stoppage.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #3

Should China pay some sort of reparations? Maybe in the form of contributing to a WHO preparedness fund/initiative with stocking supplies that could be deployed faster next time? China needs to pay for their 1) lack of sanitary standards surrounding their markets and 2) their coverup which exacerbated the situation.

China moved heaven and earth to stop the virus from spreading. If anyone should pay reparations it's the US for breaking quarantine and spreading the virus when china told them not to.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #11

I wonder if this will be the final nail in the coffin for wet markets and in particular game markets, given this history. I mean not just in official proclamation but resulting in the complete disappearance even in rural backwaters.

That is quite possible. I wouldn't be surprised if - once all this is over - wet markets are seen as having a similarly skewed risk profile as, e.g., 1st-to-3rd generation nuclear reactors. No problems most of the time; downside risk dominated by rare yet devastating black swans.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do we do this next time any new illness spread? what if it happened to a poor country? Is this going to be coded as an international law? If so why is the law retrospective? Considering your 1) lack of sanitary standards is more prevalent in poorer countries is the law discriminatory?

Yes, if it turns out a poor country lied and imprisoned doctors attempting to disseminate facts, then yes, they ought to be punished internationally.. We shouldn't punish China for simply having the virus. That could happen to anyone. But lying about it on the world stage for months, imprisoning whistleblower doctors, etc is reprehensible behavior.

Links to this?

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't spread conspiracy theories without linking to a reliable source.

Defnitely not the official stance, but Lijian Zhao (China Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry) tweeted "It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan." https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

Just as Tom Cotton (Senator from Arkansas) declared on Fox news that it was a Chinese bioweapon. All governments have wingnuts.

Re: Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic? (2017)

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't spread conspiracy theories without linking to a reliable source.

Defnitely not the official stance, but Lijian Zhao (China Spokesperson & Deputy Director General, Information Department, Foreign Ministry) tweeted "It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan." https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823

He did it because Mike Pompeo keeps calling it the China or Wuhan virus, instead of Covid-19, and it irritates China. Now Trump calls it "China virus" consistently...

There's many ways to debunk Lijian Zhao's conspiracy theory including the fact that the people who participated in the Wuhan military games and admitted to the hospital for an "unknown respiratory illness" was confirmed to be malaria by the hospital itself.

He knows it, and anyone who did brief research knows (there are lots of Chinese who believe it, though...they are the Chinese equivalent to MAGA supporters).

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