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New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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Am I the only one who would prefer the term "physical distancing". Social distancing seems open for confusion by people. Since when they say "social distancing" it seems to mean stay physically distant from each other.

That's my secret, Cap... I'm always socially distant.

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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> For every confirmed case of COVID-19, there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections. I wish this was reflected more in the numbers being presented by various authorities. There is just too much confidence that confirmed cases are representative of the spread of the virus. This unknown denominator can change mortality rate, and severe case rate by orders of magnitude. Because of the dearth of…

It seems like you're pushing back on the CFR, possibly driven by trying to pessimize the need for action. In the small Italian city of Nembro in Bergamo, 0.6% of their entire population has died in the last 12 days. That's 70 people in a small town of 11,000 — typically there are fewer than 70 deaths every six months. Now we're certainly _overestimating_ the denominator and still getting a number that's larger than t…

You should include demographic information, since it is relevant to your argument:

  [Nembro] Age Distribution (E 2019)
  0-9 years 1,018
  10-19 years 1,191
  20-29 years 1,179
  30-39 years 1,192
  40-49 years 1,640
  50-59 years 1,850
  60-69 years 1,465
  70-79 years 1,181
  80+ years 810
> In 2010, there were 119,551 people residing in Bergamo (in which the greater area has about 500 000 inhabitants), located in the province of Bergamo, Lombardia, of whom 46.6% were male and 53.4% were female. Minors (children ages 18 and younger) totalled 16.79 percent of the population compared to pensioners who number 23.61 percent. This compares with the Italian average of 17.88 percent (minors) and 20.29 percent (pensioners).

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/italy/lombardia/bergamo/016...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamo#Demographics

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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> For every confirmed case of COVID-19, there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections. I wish this was reflected more in the numbers being presented by various authorities. There is just too much confidence that confirmed cases are representative of the spread of the virus. This unknown denominator can change mortality rate, and severe case rate by orders of magnitude. Because of the dearth of…

There is a blood serum test already available that can determine if you had coronavirus (by testing for COVID-specific antibodies produced by your body). I'd say wait until the pandemic dies down and then go get that if you're curious.

There's going to be some very interesting population studies done post-pandemic to determine exactly what percentage of people had asymptomatic cases (and thus could have unknowingly been contributing to the spread).

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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> For every confirmed case of COVID-19, there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections. I wish this was reflected more in the numbers being presented by various authorities. There is just too much confidence that confirmed cases are representative of the spread of the virus. This unknown denominator can change mortality rate, and severe case rate by orders of magnitude. Because of the dearth of…

>I'm fairly certain I've just recovered from COVID-19 given my symptoms, but can't get tested here in Colorado Wow that really sucks, you must be the first HNer, also symptoms include fever and dry cough

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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Introducing social distancing for the entire population comes at huge economic and social cost. It is more effective to follow these three simple measures: 1. Symptomatic cases stay at home for 7 days 2. All household members of symptomatic cases stay at home for 14 days 3. Social distancing for the over 70 population only https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/s... Social distancing of the entire…

My hope is that the thinking is that we have a very disruptive social distancing phase (now), in order to give our medical system time to ramp up to handle much higher surge capacity, and then transition to a more focused isolation / social distancing policy (maybe based on regions or outbreaks).

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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> For every confirmed case of COVID-19, there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections. I wish this was reflected more in the numbers being presented by various authorities. There is just too much confidence that confirmed cases are representative of the spread of the virus. This unknown denominator can change mortality rate, and severe case rate by orders of magnitude. Because of the dearth of…

> I'm fairly certain I've just recovered from COVID-19 given my symptoms, but can't get tested here in Colorado. I'm glad you're better. Please be careful going forward, though. You shouldn't assume you have an immunity unless you have a positive test result. Even with the strict pre-test screening that focus strictly on high probability patients, some locations are reporting very high (90%) negative test results fro…

We are also not 100% certain that having the virus once grants immunity. People have tested positive again after appearing to make a full recovery. While these results are probably better explained by remaining infected and becoming asymptomatic for a period then getting symptoms again, we can’t yet rule out the possibility of reinfection to my knowledge. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-13/china-...

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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I really wish we had widespread testing, or even a test to see if you had COVID-19 in the past. Before we had all been so focused on this thing, my child's friend came back from China in December, and she had a upper respiratory illness with a fever. Then my whole family and I suffered under a low-grade fever and upper respiratory illness for a week or so in early January. I have no idea if it was COVID-19, but it is…

That's fear talking. Why would you want to be tested? What would you do differently? You had a virus, now you aren't sick any longer. You aren't making other people sick, either.

The first confirmed case of community contracted COVID-19 in the United States occurred in MY community, and was treated at MY place of work. So, no it is not entirely fear talking.

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the doctors on one of the press conferences (sorry, can't remember which one), said that she would prefer the term "physical distancing" as well for the same reason. She said that "social distancing" is a medical technical term that doesn't translate super well to the public.

> She said that "social distancing" is a medical technical term that doesn't translate super well to the public. Which is 100% the opposite of what I in my daily life observe: everyone, young & old, private & work, calls it social distancing. It addresses the issue better too, then the "proposed" physical distancing. When you pass people physically the (need and) possibility to keep that 2 meters is often impossible…

right. everyone is using the term, but nobody is abiding by it. i see tons of people still within close physical distances of each other. or people walking up on you in the supermarket. there is literally nothing confusing about physical distancing. social distancing has a lot of ambiguity.

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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> For every confirmed case of COVID-19, there are likely another five to 10 people with undetected infections. I wish this was reflected more in the numbers being presented by various authorities. There is just too much confidence that confirmed cases are representative of the spread of the virus. This unknown denominator can change mortality rate, and severe case rate by orders of magnitude. Because of the dearth of…

Two things to know: 1. The current test is designed for the scenario that someone shows up to medical provider with symptoms. Test answers the question: are the symptoms caused by COVID-19?, quite reliably (negligible false positives, low false negatives). 2. The current test won't produce terribly useful data in someone without symptoms (either before, or after the illness). This is why for example certain well-know…

I'm curious about the technical reasons for what you're saying. Can you say more? Is it a problem with figuring out the false negative rate for people without symptoms?

Re: New research shows social distancing a must to beat Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deaths are all fine and good, but do you know statistics on hospitalizations for the under 50 crowd? Those are the resources that are important - even if the under 50 doesn't die from it but requires hospitalization that's both a resource that can't be used by the above 50's, as well as a possible death if there isn't a bed for them.

Per the CDC, 20% of hospitalizations are from people aged 20-44. Another 20% are 45-54: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-...

Yeah, but you have to remember, people 20-44 make up more something like 37% of the population. So that actually makes those age groups pretty unlikely to be hospitalized. Around half the chance relative to their share of the population.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/comprehensive-census-data-stat...

In contrast you look at age >=65, they make up 12.4% of the population, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

It is kind of funny how desparate some boomers are to push "this virus affects you zoomers too!!!" angle, probably as a response to the "boomer remover" memes. Or just a weird boomer "well if we're going to die, we're gonna take you with us!" thing. I guess understandable but generally reflects the hateful ageist attitudes of boomers towards younger generations. The avocado toast mindset.

Yes, it's still lethal at 0.1% among younger populations. 0.1% doesn't mean nobody dies, it means very few die. This is a disease that primarily affects older populations. Some people are searching for a reason to hope it'll take their kids too.

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