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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by ruffrey »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #480

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but they are stating "we stand ready to do this" but the tacit follow up is "when we are asked to" . The president has stated he is not ready to ask them "He's casting doubt over whether he will actually implement a move to invoke the Defense Production Act -- that he signed on Wednesday and that gives him authority to order industry to work towards homeland defense and national goa…

Can you point us to some current sources about ICE arresting people at hospitals?

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Post by HEHENE »

ruffrey wrote: post #491
throwaway5752 wrote: post #480

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but they are stating "we stand ready to do this" but the tacit follow up is "when we are asked to" . The president has stated he is not ready to ask them "He's casting doubt over whether he will actually implement a move to invoke the Defense Production Act -- that he signed on Wednesday and that gives him authority to order industry to work towards homeland defense and national goa…

Can you point us to some current sources about ICE arresting people at hospitals?

As a counter point; ICE has recently said they will only be arresting illegal immigrants who pose a public safety risk and will be delaying enforcement actions until after the crisis for others.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-says-it-will-not-detain-mos...

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by matchbok »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #101

Maybe a proposal is to loosen FDA requirements during emergencies, and allow these ventilators to be sold on the free market after minimal testing (and sold with the understanding that they are as-is). Seeing how inefficient and slow our health-care system is, I think the free-market approach may actually be better here.

Ah yes, let's let a potential deadly thing go on the "market" and just hope it works. Because every first responder is going to take time to read reviews and ensure they thing they are wearing is actually going to work.

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Post by colinmhayes »

mountainboot wrote: post #484
lsc wrote: post #209

Yeah, I'm personally not too concerned with the "stuff" end of things. This is America; in spite of rhetoric to the contrary, we remain a manufacturing powerhouse. Apply enough money and we'll get whatever "stuff" we need on pretty short order. I think the big problem is medical technicians and doctors. My feeling is that we should be focusing on training up medical people on a massive scale, as that's something that…

No this isn't true. The competition to get any residency slot is insanely difficult. There are people who graduate from medical school that apply to hundreds of residencies every year and still don't get anything.

There are more residency spots than med school grads. If a grad doesn't match its because they didn't list undesirable programs, not because all the slots filled.

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Post by Alex3917 »

blackrock wrote: post #415
config_yml wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufactures like Hamilton Medical that are local here are currently working overtime and also work on Saturdays to keep up with demand. They are not raising prices, but they're also not selling to new customers, as they're afraid intermediate buyers are taking advantage and raising prices on their end. They also said they have about 2-3 months of runway until their supplies dry up, since parts from China aren't comi…

How did they know to order more supplies in December? China reported the new novel strain of the coronavirus to the WHO on December 31. [1] If correct, then this means they were monitoring the news, and reacted immediately, and on the very same day of the fresh report. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6905e1.htm

It's been widely known outside of China that this a novel SARS-like disease was spreading since December 20th, they just didn't confirm that it was novel until the 31st.

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Post by whatshisface »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #480

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but they are stating "we stand ready to do this" but the tacit follow up is "when we are asked to" . The president has stated he is not ready to ask them "He's casting doubt over whether he will actually implement a move to invoke the Defense Production Act -- that he signed on Wednesday and that gives him authority to order industry to work towards homeland defense and national goa…

Since the beginning of the crisis it has been clear to the people who know how to do stuff like curve fits that the universal global response policy of every government has been to wait for a need before asking that the need be filled. The closest any country came to a proactive response was the SARS countries who had some pandemic plans. I expect that, in line with history, Trump will wait for a ventilator shortage before doing anything to help increase ventilator production. That's not a criticism of Trump, that's a criticism of the way leaders around the world work.

(Note: the New York ventilator shortage doesn't necessarily count because there are still ventilators available elsewhere.)

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Post by colinmhayes »

MiroF wrote: post #444
adrianN wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The medical system works pretty much like this. After studying medicine you have a long practical education where nobody trusts you.

Yes, but we also have the “fellowship bottleneck” and limited med school seating we use to keep doctor salaries artificially high. In addition to training new doctors, we should also just loosen restrictions for doctors to enter the US and use their medical expertise.

Doctors wouldn't let either of those things happen because it would lower their salary. The AMA is a powerful lobbying association, no way any law that lowers doctor salary would pass.

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

ruffrey wrote: post #491
throwaway5752 wrote: post #480

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but they are stating "we stand ready to do this" but the tacit follow up is "when we are asked to" . The president has stated he is not ready to ask them "He's casting doubt over whether he will actually implement a move to invoke the Defense Production Act -- that he signed on Wednesday and that gives him authority to order industry to work towards homeland defense and national goa…

Can you point us to some current sources about ICE arresting people at hospitals?

https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania/mc-nws-pa-ice-immigr...

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by kemayo »

ruffrey wrote: post #491
throwaway5752 wrote: post #480

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but they are stating "we stand ready to do this" but the tacit follow up is "when we are asked to" . The president has stated he is not ready to ask them "He's casting doubt over whether he will actually implement a move to invoke the Defense Production Act -- that he signed on Wednesday and that gives him authority to order industry to work towards homeland defense and national goa…

Can you point us to some current sources about ICE arresting people at hospitals?

There was a viral photo a few days ago. There a lot of context around it: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/the-right-and-w...

It basically boils down to "ICE has a policy of not arresting anyone at hospitals; this was a special case where someone they were in the middle of arresting had to be taken to a hospital, and they continued as soon as he was discharged".

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