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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by vincentmarle »

chrononaut wrote: post #416
anthony_r wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Elon thought that the coronavirus panic is dumb. https://elonmusk.today/ https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2020/03/11/tesla-c...

The content quoted in the "The Star" makes it seems more to me that he's calling the _panic_ dumb, not the necessities required to fight the pandemic, which he acknowledges exists in his follow-on tweets, at least the ones "The Star" quoted. I also think the "coronavirus panic" is dumb, but I'm defining the "panic" when I say this as people buying 5 years of toilet paper, and unless there's more context that's what I…

There’s very good reason to panic early when dealing with an exponentially growing threat: https://youtu.be/e2Kga5HeAqk

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Post by stronglikedan »

DelaneyM wrote: post #391

Don't offer. Do it. Start making ventilators by the thousand. Screw patents, screw official sanction - when things get dire, the world will take every one we can get.

Offering is the correct first move. Even soup kitchens need structure, guidance, and leadership. You can't just go in as a new volunteer and just do whatever tasks you feel like doing just because you think it needs to be done.

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Post by malandrew »

bildung wrote: post #442
malandrew wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that square with a system that has the most critical care beds per capita: https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United-States-Resource-Avai...

As user lima-lima pointed out above, this most probably is an artifact resulting from different definitions of what constitutes an ICU bed - for example pediatric and neoanatal beds are in cluded for the US, but ex cluded in the European numbers. It also fails the sniff test: The US has less total hospital beds than almost every other industrial nation, but at the same time the most ICU beds?

It only has less total beds if you exclude outpatient facility beds.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Post by ryanmercer »

dajn9 wrote: post #458

I'm a simple minded engineer. In my work I use ventilators frequently and I often have to service them so I'm not entirely unknowlegeable about these devices. There is a large need for mechanical respiratoration (a ventilator) then I have a thought.... Has anyone considered one HUGE pump working as a ventilator? The average hospital has a capacity between 300 and 1000, why not have one huge shared resource as a pump.…

Back flow causing cross contamination, different rate and flow, etc

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Post by bildung »

malandrew wrote: post #463
bildung wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As user lima-lima pointed out above, this most probably is an artifact resulting from different definitions of what constitutes an ICU bed - for example pediatric and neoanatal beds are in cluded for the US, but ex cluded in the European numbers. It also fails the sniff test: The US has less total hospital beds than almost every other industrial nation, but at the same time the most ICU beds?

It only has less total beds if you exclude outpatient facility beds.

Are these included in the count of the other countries? This is exactly what I mean: Without the same definitions for all countries, the numbers per se are not really comparable.

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Post by swebs »

endorphone wrote: post #423
chrononaut wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The content quoted in the "The Star" makes it seems more to me that he's calling the _panic_ dumb, not the necessities required to fight the pandemic, which he acknowledges exists in his follow-on tweets, at least the ones "The Star" quoted. I also think the "coronavirus panic" is dumb, but I'm defining the "panic" when I say this as people buying 5 years of toilet paper, and unless there's more context that's what I…

Elon Musk's words- “My frank opinion remains that the harm from the coronavirus panic far exceeds that of the virus itself. If there is a massive redirection of medical resources out of proportion to the danger, it will result in less available care to those with critical medical needs, which does not serve the greater good.” “My best guess, for what it’s worth, based on the latest Center for Disease Control data, is…

>As an aside - the MAGA brigade is out in heavy force lately

Partisan conspiracy theories like this are not helpful

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Post by NikolaNovak »

formerchamp wrote: post #460
anthony_r wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Elon thought that the coronavirus panic is dumb. https://elonmusk.today/ https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2020/03/11/tesla-c...

It is dumb. In the USA Corona deaths @ 150 so far while flu deaths @ 34K/year. Even Swine Flu had 4K deaths and MSM didn't bat an eye. Italy proving single payer socialized medicine has less talented clinicians and administration.

So here is a legitimate question:

At some point a few months from now, IF you are proven tragically wrong; what action will you undertake?

Apologize and review your assumptions and outlook for all future circumstances?

Or, as I suspect, pretend you never posted this and create a revisionist history of what your thoughts, opinions and stances were?

The first sentence indicates ignorance of math / timescales; second one indicates ignorance of other places; and I'll be genuinely curious if there is any way facts will ever penetrate, or whether you will find some way to rewrite history of your opinions in the future :-/

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Post by tlb »

sandfly wrote: post #408
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say: surely the US military maintains a manufacturing core? I’m a metal fabricator by trade, and one thing you quickly notice is: with a machine shop and a fabrication shop you are tooled up to build the machines to manufacture almost anything.

Machine shops are Turing complete. You can use a machine to fabricate the machine you are using.

Very few are. Making ball bearings, for example, requires very special machines that no regular shop has.

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Post by RivieraKid »

chrononaut wrote: post #416
anthony_r wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Elon thought that the coronavirus panic is dumb. https://elonmusk.today/ https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2020/03/11/tesla-c...

The content quoted in the "The Star" makes it seems more to me that he's calling the _panic_ dumb, not the necessities required to fight the pandemic, which he acknowledges exists in his follow-on tweets, at least the ones "The Star" quoted. I also think the "coronavirus panic" is dumb, but I'm defining the "panic" when I say this as people buying 5 years of toilet paper, and unless there's more context that's what I…

He also said that COVID-19 is a form of the common cold.

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Post by endorphone »

swebs wrote: post #466
endorphone wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk's words- “My frank opinion remains that the harm from the coronavirus panic far exceeds that of the virus itself. If there is a massive redirection of medical resources out of proportion to the danger, it will result in less available care to those with critical medical needs, which does not serve the greater good.” “My best guess, for what it’s worth, based on the latest Center for Disease Control data, is…

>As an aside - the MAGA brigade is out in heavy force lately Partisan conspiracy theories like this are not helpful

Partisan? Hysterical! There is no universe where disagreeing with a cult of ignorance is "partisan".

Further, it isn't a conspiracy theory to make a banal observation. Flagging is clearly being grossly abused.

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