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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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I was going to say: surely the US military maintains a manufacturing core? I’m a metal fabricator by trade, and one thing you quickly notice is: with a machine shop and a fabrication shop you are tooled up to build the machines to manufacture almost anything.

Folks, military physician here, operating at the national level on the analysis that informs these projects. The recent post on HN about the MIT $100 ventilator is one of the things that got this rolling. Manufacturing is spinning up. What I really need is developers on this project: https://github.com/joshua-s/coronavirus-diary

How can I contact you?

There is an app already in use in the Netherlands. They are field testing at scale and releasing better versions twice a day. Next monday it will be distributed to all hospitals and most citizens. Dutch PBS prime time news had a 5 minute documentary on the app yesterday March 18th.

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Oh, wait. Hold on. There was a time where people weren’t perfect? And by perfect, I of course mean perfect judged by hindsight. That’s just ... I mean .. people should be perfect! And prescient! Good point.

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN. You've done that repeatedly lately (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22586334 ) and we ban accounts that do this. If you wouldn't mind, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post only in the intended spirit of the site—especially now, when stress is running high and likely to get higher.

I hear you. I will take a break from commenting.

Honestly I find your comment sobering. It reminds me I’ve been diligently and carefully contributing to a site for 8 years, and my efforts could be erased by a moderator in an eye blink because of a couple of frustrated comments.

I think it has not been a great use of my time.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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post #211

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Leadership in the US Government wasted a lot of time trying to play down the pandemic [1] as did large (conservative) news organizations [2]. Both are now trying to blame China, arguably to shift blame from themselves. It didn't need to be that way; South Korea's government action back in January helped them while the US Government's action hindered response [3]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-c…

Everyone should be blaming China. They jailed the doctor who tried to warn us. They lied to the world. They "issued an order to hospitals, clinics and other healthcare units strictly prohibiting the release of any information about treatment of this new disease."[1] That's not about shifting blame from the US government. That's placing the blame where it belongs. As the famously conservative editorial board of the Wa…

> They jailed the doctor who tried to warn us.

This is false.

They did not jail the doctor.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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That's a total fantasy when you consider rare earths. And they know it. The military can produce basically nothing without resources for China.

Nope, rare earth elements are common pretty much everywhere. The only reason companies buy them from China is because they're cheaper due to their lower wages and lack of environmental protection. When China limited export of rare earths, leading to a dispute with Western countries, all that happened was suddenly Western mining firms became viable and attracted investment. China then dropped the export limits and dro…

Yes, I know they are common.

That doesn't change the fact that I was right. There is basically no rare earth mining and refining in the US or anywhere in the Western world.

The refining capacity is all in China, and if China would stop allowing export it would absolutly cause an huge issue.

Adding mining and refinining capcity is a very significant challange.

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China travel was banned on 9th February, when dems were busy with impeaching trump for investigating the precious vps crimes. Congress messed up and wasted time. Thr brouhaha now is a deliberate attempt to crash economy to prevent Trump's reelection. Edit: all I am getting are drive by downvites, I dare anybody to counter with facts with sources (not from cnn preferably)

> I dare anybody to counter with facts with sources (not from cnn preferably)

You're the one making the wild claim that "The brouhaha now is a deliberate attempt to crash economy to prevent Trump's reelection". The burden of proof is definitely on you, it's on you to provide facts with sources (not from fox news preferably)

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post #362

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> China locking down Wuhan should have been enough of a warning sign. It was. Within a week the world was announcing countermeasures like travel restrictions. That lockdown was on January 23, less than two months ago.

It wasn't. Countries like Italy and Germany believed China, and that alone would probably have been enough to doom efforts in the countries that didn't. Also, as the other reply says, patient zero was likely already in the US, so any effort at successfully containing this would have required rounding up and quarantining people from Hubei already in the USA and their close contacts back when the press were still downp…

Italy was one of the first countries to ban flights from a China.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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post #87

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I think you can take this analogy too far. If I were to do so, I'd say that the OP is suggesting that Pearl Harbor was attacked, the President said it was no big deal, just one Japanese plane, and the country collectively twiddled their thumbs while the enemy advanced.

Well, at the risk of pointing out the obvious, the US did twiddle its thumbs for at least two years after the outbreak of WW2. Earlier intervention may have virtually stopped it (in Europe at least).

Sure, though I believe that during those 2 years the US was also trying to decide which part they should enter the war on. There were influential Nazi supporters in the US, and Russian 'communism' was probably seen as a bigger ideological problem than antisemitism to many.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leadership in the US Government wasted a lot of time trying to play down the pandemic [1] as did large (conservative) news organizations [2]. Both are now trying to blame China, arguably to shift blame from themselves. It didn't need to be that way; South Korea's government action back in January helped them while the US Government's action hindered response [3]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-c…

Everyone should be blaming China. They jailed the doctor who tried to warn us. They lied to the world. They "issued an order to hospitals, clinics and other healthcare units strictly prohibiting the release of any information about treatment of this new disease."[1] That's not about shifting blame from the US government. That's placing the blame where it belongs. As the famously conservative editorial board of the Wa…

Eh, how about we get through this before we start assigning blame. I get that PR is important, but US should focus its energies elsewhere. I just don't see it as productive.

Re: GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at the risk of pointing out the obvious, the US did twiddle its thumbs for at least two years after the outbreak of WW2. Earlier intervention may have virtually stopped it (in Europe at least).

Sure, though I believe that during those 2 years the US was also trying to decide which part they should enter the war on. There were influential Nazi supporters in the US, and Russian 'communism' was probably seen as a bigger ideological problem than antisemitism to many.

While there was a certain amount of bi-directional influence (Hitler taking inspiration from the KKK, the German-American Bund being the local Nazi party) there was never any question of entering the war on the Nazi side, and indeed Lend-Lease started in early 1941, months before Pearl Harbor, including supplying arms to the Soviet Union.

The private sector was still supplying Nazi Germany while the US was officially neutral, though.

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