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GM’s CEO Offers to Make Ventilators in WWII-Style Mobilization

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Nonetheless ramping up supply still solves the problem by driving prices down

If any of them have half a brain, they are maintaining their regular prices and ramping up production and stockpiling them for the inevitable demand in a few more weeks.

> ramping up production and stockpiling them for the inevitable demand in a few more weeks.

This still prevents future prices from increasing, which is good thing.

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The mobilization of American industry during WW2 produced some interesting artifacts. For example, many people might know what an M1 Carbine is, if only from movies and video games - but how many know that they were manufactured by, among other companies, IBM, Rock-Ola, and National Postal Meter Co?

After the war, most of those ended up on the civilian market, so even today, you can own a gun that has a legit "IBM" logo on the barrel.

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This is something I've been hoping to see since the pandemic started. But, I'm pretty ignorant regarding this industry and I've also wondered this: There are numerous manufacturing plants within the US, but how easy is it switch from manufacturing knew product to another? Is the equipment and machine used generally the same?

I'm working on the setup of a new factory line. It's amazingly complex and makes just one thing... a washing machine bowl. Here's a video of an older version of the line. https://vimeo.com/306316617

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It’s not that we’re bad at training medical personnel. It’s that the AMA acts as a cartel to limit the number of physicians train to keep income high. We just need to allow more people into medical schools and make more residencies available.

Yeah, remove the limiter, and how long does it take to make a doctor? I mean, sure, some people are saying that this thing is still gonna be here in four years (I am not a medical person, but that's what some of them say. something about the type of virus this is that will make a vaccine difficult) so that might not be a bad idea, but... I think we probably need to be focusing on how we can increase medical capacity…

Two weeks...

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I agree that we are in a unprecedented situation but I am not sure that the regulations will just be “damned”.

That's how it's an emergency when regulations are ignored. If everyone's following regulations and life is as usual -- it's not an emergency

Honestly, you're spitting the truth... and I don't understand why people don't understand this point?

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It’s not that we’re bad at training medical personnel. It’s that the AMA acts as a cartel to limit the number of physicians train to keep income high. We just need to allow more people into medical schools and make more residencies available.

Yeah, remove the limiter, and how long does it take to make a doctor? I mean, sure, some people are saying that this thing is still gonna be here in four years (I am not a medical person, but that's what some of them say. something about the type of virus this is that will make a vaccine difficult) so that might not be a bad idea, but... I think we probably need to be focusing on how we can increase medical capacity…

> Yeah, remove the limiter, and how long does it take to make a doctor?

Undergraduate entry medical degrees in Ireland are either five or six years with summers off and ample other holidays. Post graduate is four years like the US but pre-med doesn’t exist. You have to learn the necessary content yourself ahead of time and if you fail the exams that’s your problem. You can get in with a degree with no science content whatsoever as long as you have high enough grades in your Bachelor’s. I believe during WWII the US ran some schools at three semesters a year so people were done in two years, eight months. A newly graduated doctor then has residency, a year of 60-100 hour weeks of on the job training. If some of the generalist training was cut you might be able to get someone able to do routine medical care in their specialty, like a nurse practitioner in three years.

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Folks, military physician here, operating at the national level on the analysis that informs these projects. The recent post on HN about the MIT $100 ventilator is one of the things that got this rolling. Manufacturing is spinning up. What I really need is developers on this project: https://github.com/joshua-s/coronavirus-diary

Wow...really? A MIT project with HN post is what kicked this off. As in...no one thought of this until then?

welcome to the information age, where even the top brass can't make sense of it all and consequences will never be the same

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Meanwhile, actual ventilator manufacturers are not getting many orders: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/18/ventilator-...

Because they are not the bottleneck. Intensivists that can operate the vents are the bottleneck https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United-States-Resource-Avai...

That is some bureaucratic nonsense. Setting up and maintaining a ventilator is not rocket science, you can train other staff to do that job pretty quickly.

Ancillary tasks may suffer from staff shortage, but if you need one, getting a ventilator and minimal care is a lot better than not getting a ventilator.

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A commercialized health care system also has absolutely no incentive to keep excess capacity for emergencies. It seems to be very good at finding the optimal efficiency point, which essentially is very close to "no unused resources in the nimal situation". But societal resiliency requires that health care, utilities, food supply, etc, has some excess capacity just because at some point something will happen. A public…

How does that square with a system that has the most critical care beds per capita: https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United-States-Resource-Avai...

Interesting, the last number I saw was 10x less. That is comforting

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This is what Musk should be doing.

Although, based on his history, he might try to design a “better” ventilator and when medical experts say they’re not fit for purpose he’ll go on a Twitter tantrum and call them pedophiles.
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