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Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by S_A_P »

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

For me the iPad is best for music and that sort of creative segment. It handles touch better than windows imo, and the os handles low latency applications much better. Core Audio is really just an exceptional framework for audio.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by _xnmw »

I don't think trackpad support adds much value to the "serious" use cases of the iPad. If my work gets complex enough to require a trackpad, I get on my Mac. The trackpad looks more like a band-aid solution for those who are insistent on using the iPad as a serious computer (even though it's not), because nothing so-far-invented beats the traditional keyboard-mouse-window paradigm for productivity.

The only "serious" use cases for the iPad, which are actually better on iPad than on Mac are:

- Document review and annotation with tools like LiquidText or PDF Expert

- Sketching and drawing with apps like Paper

- Data collection and demonstration in the field (showing other people stuff, and asking them to enter info)

Anything else you "could" technically do on an iPad is just a dumbed-down version of what we already do better on a Mac. Lots of pretty marketing and very little productivity - I feel bad for the generation of college kids raised on this pretty piece of glass while being deprived of the experience of "real" computing.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by jungturk »

_xnmw wrote: post #622

I don't think trackpad support adds much value to the "serious" use cases of the iPad. If my work gets complex enough to require a trackpad, I get on my Mac. The trackpad looks more like a band-aid solution for those who are insistent on using the iPad as a serious computer (even though it's not), because nothing so-far-invented beats the traditional keyboard-mouse-window paradigm for productivity. The only "serious"…

What is it about the Mac that makes these doings more efficient?

Is that just a certain comfort about being able to more closely approach the OS abstractions like file and command?

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by greggman3 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #612

> iPad Pro is faster and more powerful than most Windows PC laptops This is such a frustrating comparison that Apple continues to make. They factor in that most Windows PC laptops are very low-spec and low-price. If you compared performance with similarly priced machines it would likely be a different story. But come on, Apple. It's not 2001 anymore. You don't need to keep up with the 'us vs them' mentality.

The late 2019 iPad Pro is faster and more powerful than the late 2019 Macbook Air. I bought both and tested. It made me wish for an iPad Pro hardware based Macbook Air but ultimately I sold the iPad Pro 4 weeks later since I never used it. My workflow is decidedly not tablet oriented.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by djbeadle »

jungturk wrote: post #623
_xnmw wrote: post #622

I don't think trackpad support adds much value to the "serious" use cases of the iPad. If my work gets complex enough to require a trackpad, I get on my Mac. The trackpad looks more like a band-aid solution for those who are insistent on using the iPad as a serious computer (even though it's not), because nothing so-far-invented beats the traditional keyboard-mouse-window paradigm for productivity. The only "serious"…

What is it about the Mac that makes these doings more efficient? Is that just a certain comfort about being able to more closely approach the OS abstractions like file and command?

I can only speak for myself, I bought an 11" iPad Pro to have something much lighter and portable than my laptop that I could carry everywhere, write long form text on, and edit photos.

Importing and editing a single photo is easy, but if I want to work on a whole batch it becomes a pain trying to manage many files using file system.

So far the best solution I've found is to pay for Adobe cloud storage, import my photos to the Lightroom app (thus not polluting my camera roll) and let Adobe sync everything to my desktop where the photos eventually live on an external hard drive.

Side note: Despite this the actual act of manipulating photos on the iPad are fantastic. I love being able to shoot an event and then start editing a couple photos for promotional purposes right then and there. Overall I love my big expensive tablet.

If other people have developed iPad / iOS photography workflows I'd love to hear them!

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by jws »

_xnmw wrote: post #622

I don't think trackpad support adds much value to the "serious" use cases of the iPad. If my work gets complex enough to require a trackpad, I get on my Mac. The trackpad looks more like a band-aid solution for those who are insistent on using the iPad as a serious computer (even though it's not), because nothing so-far-invented beats the traditional keyboard-mouse-window paradigm for productivity. The only "serious"…

Speaking to the 13" iPad w/keyboard combo, a MacBook Pro 15", and desktop multi monitor Macs which I use for working…

The desktops are the thing for writing code. This goes for iOS apps, Mac apps, or Posix type server systems. It could be done on smaller screens, but I like leaving the test system on its own screen and keeping log viewing windows visible to notice changes.

Communicating with people and extensive researching are almost exclusive on the iPad with keyboard. It's great for focused tasks and I can plop it down wherever I feel like being.

The MacBook mostly stays in my "had to go out of town" bag. It might go unused for months at a time, but when I'm away from the desktops and need do something code oriented it is invaluable. The versatility is an asset, (currently I've given the room with my home office desktop over to a family member sheltering with us, but a couple displays, a keyboard, a magic pad, and some odd cables and boom, another desktop on demand).

The thing I most dislike about working on the iPad is merrily keyboarding away and using the arrows to scroll, and then I need to poke something on the screen. I wouldn't call it "gorilla arm", but maybe "rhesus arm". My nicely supported arm has to rise and make a fairly accurate hit on the screen without any support, or add the extra step to make contact for accurate motion if it is more than a single touch. Definitely a modern third world problem, but turning touch and drags into simple thumb operations will be nice.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by m3kw9 »

ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

You got the wrong computing device when you got your iPad, should have got a macbook

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by dannyw »

D13Fd wrote: post #585
SiVal wrote: post #573

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When I go to a place where people are working--an office, a university library, a coffee shop--I see a sea of laptops and no iPads. Even in places such as Stanford libraries, where it is a sea of MacBooks, the people who provably buy lots of expensive Apple products don't buy iPads for work. And iPads have been outselling Macs on a unit basis for a decade, so even people who buy iPads don't seem to find them suitable…

The iPad is useful for certain things. If you're trying to share a document with another person and discuss it, it works much better on an iPad. Both people can hold it, scroll it, etc and it feels much less awkward than discussing things on a laptop. It's also a bit better than a laptop for digging in and highlighting reading material. I would not use it as my main PC, though, that's for sure. The apps just aren't t…

My Surface works perfect for this. I just take the keyboard off and it's a tablet, with a lovely pen you can use to highlight.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by martythemaniak »

donkeydoug wrote: post #509
martythemaniak wrote: post #42

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I was looking for this right now, actually. I want to remodel my house. I want to take my device, scan everything, then put replace parts - new vanity in bathroom, try different paints in different rooms, new lighting etc. After each change, I want to put on my VR device and walk around. Finally, I want to send the changes I choose to a contractor.

sorry for the non-context response, but in hopes you see the reply (and missed the one from the other day), blockbattle.net is currently down. would be great if it could be back up, not sure of any other way to contact the creators, will not nag about this again here. if you want someone to take over hosting, would be totally up for it :-) great game, Thanks.

I messaged my buddy to restart the server, but in not really involved anymore.

Re: New iPad Pro with LiDAR Scanner and trackpad support

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Post by deegles »

Slippery_John wrote: post #587
ben7799 wrote: post #328

I already had an iPad Pro + smart keyboard + pencil once... and got rid of it and switched to a Surface Pro. We still have an old 10" iPad 2 + an older iPad Mini in the house and they get use for typical iPad consumer stuff. When I add up this new iPad in the minimum 128GB/Wifi/11" config this one is about $400 more than I paid for the Surface Pro + KB cover + MS Pen. (Which is i5/8GB/128GB/Wifi-only) The Surface has…

The surface pro can do everything, but for most things the tablet mode experience is somewhere between dismal and unusable. The ipad pro can't do a handful of tasks, but for everything else the experience is excellent in both tablet and laptop mode. Those things the ipad can't do are largely niche (now that working with files is well supported), and are solvable limitations. The software problem on the surface pro is…

> Those things the ipad can't do are largely niche

Software development doesn't feel niche to me. It feels like it should be possible to publish a usable, high quality iPad app using nothing but an iPad.

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